Jan. 6, 2026

102-From Fairytale to Coercive Control: Grooming & Domestic Violence with Becca

In this episode of 1 in 3, Ingrid sits down with Becca to unpack how reconnecting with someone from her past quickly escalated into coercive control, domestic violence, and physical abuse—and ultimately led to the devastating discovery of grooming and sexual assault against her child.

Becca walks us through the timeline in clear, unflinching detail: intense love-bombing and a rushed marriage, early red flags during pregnancy, isolation and alcohol-fueled conflict during COVID, and the shift from gaslighting to physical violence. Everything changes when her child discloses the abuse—forcing Becca to make urgent decisions to protect her children and involve law enforcement.

From there, we go inside the criminal justice process, breaking down what survivors rarely hear explained: investigation barriers like hospital privacy laws and unstable housing, how missed leads can stall cases, and how a single Facebook message helped police locate the suspect. Becca explains the long months of court delays, mental health evaluations, a public defender change, and what a tier three sex offender designation and no-contact orders mean for long-term safety.

Beyond the courtroom, this conversation focuses on healing and prevention—how to recognize coercive control early, why abuse often escalates during pregnancy, and what grooming can look like when it hides behind “friendship.” Becca also shares why she’s working to terminate parental rights, how therapy is helping her children regain confidence, and the truth every survivor needs to hear:

It’s not your fault.

If any part of this story mirrors your own, you are not alone.
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Cover art by Laura Swift Dahlke
Music by Tim Crowe

00:00 - Framing Abuse And Introducing Becca

01:30 - Becca’s Background And Career Path

03:28 - Reconnecting With A Teenage Boyfriend

05:43 - Marriage, Pregnancy, And Early Red Flags

08:58 - Escalation During COVID And Financial Stress

11:53 - From Gaslighting To Physical Violence

14:23 - Protecting The Kids And The First Police Call

16:58 - Grooming Revealed And The Night Of Assault

19:33 - Reporting, Investigation, And Finding The Suspect

22:23 - Court Delays, Plea Deal, And Sentencing

25:03 - Safety Orders, Parental Rights, And Healing

26:53 - Lessons, Validation, And Closing Support

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Hi, Warriors.

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Welcome to One in Three.

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I'm your host, Ingrid.

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Abuse doesn't happen because of who the victim is.

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Abusers abuse because that's what they do.

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It's far too easy to place the blame on the victim when, in reality, anyone in an abuser's path can be harmed.

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My guest today, Becca, is here to bravely share her story with the sole intention of helping others who may be suffering in silence.

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Here's Becca.

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Hi, Becca.

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Thank you so much for joining me today, and welcome to One and Three.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for having me.

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I really appreciate you letting me share my story.

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Just kind of a little background about me.

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I am a mother of three.

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I have two teenagers and a six-year-old.

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I am, I work as an accounting professional.

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That's something that I actually got away from for a little while because of what happened to me.

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But I did recently this past June get back into it.

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So that's been really nice.

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Otherwise, I just like I'm really into podcasts, um, music.

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I love all kinds of music.

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Um, always listening to something in the car.

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So um I think I'm pretty, you know, like standard mom and professional.

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Yeah.

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Do you have a favorite genre of music?

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Um not really.

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I mean, I'd say like a lot of times I gravitate towards like folk indie kind of sounds.

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Um, but recently I've been listening to a lot of rap and hip hop, which is not my usual thing.

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Yeah.

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Um, but it's been a lot of fun.

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So yeah, my my playlist, my kids rarely listen to my playlist.

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We usually have to listen to theirs, but it has the weirdest range of the same kind of thing, like folk.

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I have some hip hop, some 90s music, and I think Ozzy Osborne is even in there.

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So it's like it's all over the place.

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So I'm always interested to hear what people are listening to.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So you wanted to come on today to share your story because there are so many people out there that even if it's not the exact same story, it's a very similar path that so many of us have have gone down.

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So uh sharing your story helps kind of I think people recognize what they're going through and to understand that uh this isn't just an individual thing that happens, that it happens to quite a few people.

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So, do you want to go ahead and get started?

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Um, yeah.

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So I I um I started dating um someone when I was a teenager.

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I was um a senior in high school, and it was kind of like the first love kind of thing, you know, really intense.

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Um, but you're just kind of stupid teens, right?

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Um and that kind of it was a really short-lived relationship, just kind of the typical first love, really intense, but really quick.

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Um, and then I kind of I lost touch with him a little bit for a couple years.

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Um, but he was always kind of like once in a while he'd reach out and say, hey, um, especially because now we have, you know, Facebook and all that.

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So everyone, you know, people don't really stay in the past the way that they used to.

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Um, but I did move on.

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Um, I met someone, um, got married, had my two older kids um settled down.

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Um, but that didn't work out.

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I did get divorced from my first husband in 2015 when our kids were um five and three.

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Um so then I was a single mom for a while, just um dealing with that with the kids um on my own, kind of figuring out the whole custody thing between um my first husband and I.

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And I was working, I was doing freelance writing um at the time.

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I would write website content mostly and like blog posts for small businesses, things like that, um, because I had gone to college for accounting, but I graduated in 2009, so it was a really bad economy, and I was pregnant with my first daughter at the time, so I didn't get a job in accounting, so I kind of went off in a different direction and did the freelance writing for a while, which worked really well when my kids were little because it was on my own schedule and it was from home.

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Um, but I decided after I got divorced from my first husband that I wanted to go to grad school um for an MBA so that I could get into accounting because I did really enjoy it.

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It just never happened.

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Um, the timing didn't work out for me.

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So I went back to grad school and I worked as a graduate assistant.

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Um and I actually a friend of mine had a position.

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She worked in premium audit, which is kind of a niche, like no one's really heard of it unless you're in that industry.

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But it's basically auditing payroll records and like business operations for workers' comp and general liability policies.

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So temp position that my friend had available that she said, Hey, I think this would be a good fit for you.

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And I started in premium audit then and found out that I really love it.

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So I got I kind of started my career from there.

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Um so that was in late 2015 and then 2016.

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I got a job as an auditor.

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I was just being doing admin work in premium audit until then.

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And that kind of launched my career.

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And I was I was in a relationship at the time.

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I did have like a serious boyfriend, um, but it was like we weren't really on the same page.

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He was kind of he didn't have like the same kind of career aspirations as I did, and it was kind of um more into like kid stuff, and I was, you know, like I had kids and and I was you know focused on them.

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Um, so that relationship didn't work out, but that was um, so that was 2017 that that relationship ended, and at that time, um my ex-boyfriend from when I was a teenager um reached out to me and we started talking.

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And at the time he was living in Seattle, and I was in Pennsylvania, so it was just kind of long distance chatting at that point.

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Um but he really like kind of pursued me and made me feel like he was really uh interested in in starting a relationship with me.

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So I guess just based on like those teenage feelings kind of being brought back up, things escalated really quickly.

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Like we reconnected in July of 2017, and then he moved to Pennsylvania in September, and we got married in April of 2018.

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Um, so at first things seemed really great, and I knew him, you know.

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I had so this was 2017 now, and our relationship when we were teenagers was 2003.

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Um, so I knew him for a long time.

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I thought I knew him pretty well.

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At one point, we had been regularly talking.

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We hadn't seen each other since 2003, but we were regularly talking.

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Like after I um I left my first husband, we chatted a lot, but as friends, and we kind of considered each other really close friends, sometimes called it best friends.

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So I thought I knew him really well, so I felt comfortable moving quickly because I felt like we kind of get into this.

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Um how do I want to say this?

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We kind of are programmed to believe that like the fairy tale, you know what I mean?

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Like that that's um, you know, there's gonna be a happily ever after.

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So when we reconnected, I thought, oh, this is my chance, like this is gonna be this great love story because yeah, we were we were kids in love and now we reconnected after all these years.

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It's like a Hallmark movie.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It really felt like like something good was happening.

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So I guess in the beginning, of course, everything was great.

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Um, things don't start out bad, obviously.

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If they did, we we wouldn't start them in the first place.

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Um, so there were some disagreements we would have.

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Sometimes we would fight about like because when we were teenagers, he had broken up with me.

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So I would be like, well, obviously he never cared about me.

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Because you, you know, like there were these kind of immature fights based on our teenage feelings.

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Um but for the most part it was good, like he kind of presented it as wanting to make up for lost time and like he was gonna do all these nice things for me.

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And he he did um he did kind of I don't know, like in retrospect, I realized that he was doing it on purpose to make me think that that things were good and that he was changing and and trying to make up for lost time and and trying to make it up to me that he had broken up with me, that kind of thing.

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Um like he he did a really he proposed to me on my birthday in 2018, and it was very like um emotional and heartfelt, and like he he practiced the words and everything, um, and got me like the exact ring that I wanted.

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Um, and I thought it was gonna be really good.

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My my girls were our flower girls at our wedding.

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It was really cute.

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They really took to him and they started, you know, like they have their dad is very much a part of their lives, so they have a dad, but they still they wanted to call him dad.

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Um so I thought things were really good.

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And for the first couple years, I would say 2018 was good.

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2019, we decided that we wanted to have a baby, so we started trying for a baby, and um that did take more time.

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My my older two girls, I didn't have to try to have them, so this like the whole having to, you know, like keep calendars and um try for months and months, that was different for me, but it took about six months, and then in January, that was actually late 2019 that we started.

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January of 2019 is when I found out I was at the end of January that I was pregnant with my youngest.

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Um and things started changing when I got pregnant.

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Um it just seemed like just little things, you know, like you don't notice it right away.

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But for example, I think the first time I really started noticing things changing and him not being as nice or maybe getting into like gaslighting territory or um guilting me, things like that, is we decided to go, we hadn't had a honeymoon.

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Um, so we decided to go on a baby moon, and we went to Paris in April of 2019.

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And it was it was like right after because all of my pregnancies, I have like an eight-week span where I'm just sick all the time, towards the beginning in the first trimester.

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And the Paris trip was right after the first trimester.

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So I was just starting to feel good again.

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Um and we went and I was the only one working at the time, which was very typical.

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I was usually the only one working.

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He he had jobs, but didn't keep jobs.

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There would be a lot of jumping around.

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Um, so we were married, so obviously it was our money, but I had budgeted the trip because we we weren't rich.

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So I would, you know, I had this is the amount of spending money we had, and I got the Euros, so we had the spending money on us.

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And anytime we went to a store, he would just spend a whole bunch of money, and it would be on things like beer, like things that like I obviously wasn't drinking, I was pregnant, so it was just things like that that were expensive and unnecessary.

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And then I voiced concern about it because I was like, you know, like I want to have a good time, but let's, you know, we need to be a little bit reasonable about our spending because we're here for a week.

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We don't want to run out of money halfway through.

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And he got really upset with me and kind of said, Well, you're ruining my good time.

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I'm trying to have a good time here, and and you're ruining it.

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And I was just like, I didn't really know what to say, so I let it go.

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But that was the first time I was like, that was kind of a weird thing that happened.

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I don't really understand why he reacted that way when I was just voicing a concern.

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I wasn't even because I like to give people like the benefit of the doubt.

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So I was just kind of saying, hey, remember, we have a budget, just so you know, let's rein it in a little bit.

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And he just kind of blew up on me.

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And I didn't know what to do with that.

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So we just kind of trudged through the week, but things were weird between us after that.

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And there was another incident on that trip when we went to Versailles, and it's very crowded.

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And I was pregnant, and I would, you know, I was just getting over the morning sickness part of the pregnancy, and I was feeling overwhelmed by the crowds there.

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So I was just kind of trying to stand off to the side and catch my breath.

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Um, and I get overwhelmed in crowds anyway, so it was like extra stressful.

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And he got angry at me for just standing over to the side because I wasn't like going with the flow of the other tourists, and I was holding him back from getting to see things in the palace.

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Uh, it was just a very odd reaction because like your pregnant wife is feeling overwhelmed and a little bit ill.

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Maybe you should be concerned, not angry, you know?

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Right, right.

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Yeah.

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So those were kind of just the first little things that happened that I I kind of thought, what what's going on here?

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This is kind of weird.

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Um, and I will say the other thing during my pregnancy that was concerning was he did not have a driver's license.

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Um, and he chose not to get a driver's license while I was pregnant.

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So when I went into labor at two o'clock in the morning, oh no, we had to call a lift.

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So a lift had to take me to the hospital.

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And since it was my third, um, my labor was really fast.

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So I basically got to the hospital and had her about 20 minutes later.

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And because he didn't drive, he missed the birth of his daughter.

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Um, so that was oh because he was home with the other two?

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Or okay, okay.

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Yeah, so he had to be so because it was the middle of the night, so we did call my parents to come watch the kids, but it happened everything happened so fast that they didn't get there in time.

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Oh, to begin a lift by yourself in the middle of the night in labor, how awful.

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Yeah, yeah, it was a really bad experience.

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Um yeah, so I I always kind of gave him like I I know he does have a lot of like anxiety and things like that.

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So I kind of felt like, well, maybe he just can't drive.

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Maybe it's too, maybe he's too anxious about it.

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Um but after uh the end of our relationship, he got his license right away and started door dashing.

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So um I don't that was the issue.

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I think it was just not having the um concern or care for me, or I don't know, because he missed the birth of his child too.

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So you would think like that part of it would make him like compel him to get his license.

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Yeah, maybe it was some weird control thing, like you're not you can't go anywhere without making sure he doesn't need to go somewhere or I don't know, weird.

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I thought maybe I thought maybe he like legally couldn't have his driver's license or something, but it was just his choice.

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Yeah, there was, um, so he did have like so he did have his license in he's from California originally, and then he lived in Seattle.

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Um, so he did have his license out there and he did lose it for um, I don't remember some stupid reason, but so he was going through, like he would call because the license was suspended in two states, because it was suspended in California and Washington, he had to go through one and then get it cleared up there before the other one would consider clearing it up on their end.

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So he just kind of gave up.

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But then once our relationship ended, he didn't have a problem going through those steps.

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So of course not, yeah.

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Yep.

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So that was that was kind of the things that happened during my pregnancy that gave me some inklings that maybe things were not good.

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Um and then so my youngest daughter was born in October of 2019.

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So I don't I don't really remember how I think that that, like the winter after that, and this well, not the spring, because that was 2020, but the winter was good.

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Um, you know, we were just focused on the baby and and obviously really busy with her.

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So that was okay.

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He was working at that time.

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He actually had a decent job at that time, um, but he had just started there.

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And then when COVID hit and everything shut down, he was laid off and then he stayed home because I still worked my I didn't have to go in.

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I was working from home, but I still had to work.

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And he we decided since he got laid off he would watch the kids because the older kids were doing school from home, of course.

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So he was just kind of in charge of the kids at that time.

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And I don't know, I don't know if the stress of that was just really triggering to him, if it was the isolation from COVID, just the I mean, obviously it was hard for everyone's mental health.

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We all struggled, but it seemed like it just kind of made him snap, like something in him snapped.

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He started drinking, he started drinking a lot, and he was really mean when he would drink and he would pick fights, and you couldn't walk away from a fight with him.

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If there was a fight and I said, I need space, I can't, this is not going anywhere.

00:22:41.819 --> 00:22:48.220
We need to come back in a you know, in half an hour once we cool down, that was not an option.

00:22:48.539 --> 00:22:54.380
If I tried to go to another room to get away from him so we could cool down, he would just follow me.

00:22:54.859 --> 00:22:59.740
And if I refused to talk to him, he would start to cry.

00:23:00.700 --> 00:23:04.380
So I I couldn't stop a fight.

00:23:04.859 --> 00:23:08.940
It was not an option once we started a fight.

00:23:09.019 --> 00:23:10.380
It had to just continue.

00:23:10.460 --> 00:23:19.740
And it would never, it wouldn't really resolve, it would just escalate, you know, like we weren't talking, we weren't having a conversation where we could be adults and figure things out.

00:23:19.980 --> 00:23:23.180
We were just fighting, we were just yelling at each other.

00:23:23.500 --> 00:23:26.779
So that got really difficult.

00:23:26.940 --> 00:23:38.059
Um, when he when his drinking got really bad during COVID, and we started fighting a lot, and there were the fights um where I I couldn't step away.

00:23:38.299 --> 00:23:40.940
I started drinking a lot too to cope.

00:23:41.339 --> 00:23:44.700
Um so it was just a really bad situation.

00:23:45.579 --> 00:23:51.180
Um and during all that, so that was um when COVID started.

00:23:51.339 --> 00:24:03.900
During all that, I changed jobs, partially because he wasn't working and I had an opportunity to take a job that would it would be a significant pay raise.

00:24:04.140 --> 00:24:07.819
Um, so I did decide to take that new job.

00:24:07.900 --> 00:24:14.940
And it was the same kind of thing that I was doing before, but it was kind of a more like a step up.

00:24:15.099 --> 00:24:17.660
It was more intense, longer hours.

00:24:18.059 --> 00:24:25.099
Um, I was working in compliance before, and then I I kind of got into the commercial side of it.

00:24:25.180 --> 00:24:30.619
So I had like customer interactions that I wasn't used to, which is stressful for me too.

00:24:30.940 --> 00:24:39.819
So I got in that high stress job, making more money, um, and we decided to buy a house.

00:24:40.380 --> 00:24:44.059
Um, so because we weren't stressed enough at that time.

00:24:44.380 --> 00:25:21.500
I was gonna say, just we bought a house in October of 2020, is when we closed on the house and we moved um right at the beginning of October in 2020, which was really hard for the kids too, because they were already doing COVID schooling and couldn't see their friends, and now we're moving school districts to a new school where they didn't know anyone, and they started um they started it was all still all um virtual schooling, so they didn't really get to meet anyone.

00:25:21.660 --> 00:25:23.500
Um, and that was difficult.

00:25:23.660 --> 00:25:32.140
And and my husband wasn't working at the time, he he was still not working, so it was just me with all the bills and a mortgage.

00:25:32.380 --> 00:25:36.140
So um it didn't help, obviously.

00:25:36.779 --> 00:25:46.460
Yeah, yeah, it made things worse, and that is really when things started to get bad.

00:25:46.859 --> 00:25:50.299
I mean, they were already bad, but when they got really bad.

00:25:50.539 --> 00:25:57.180
Um so October 2020, we moved in here.

00:25:58.220 --> 00:26:13.259
Um between, I would say between October of 2020 and November of 2021, it was a lot of those arguments where I couldn't get away.

00:26:13.579 --> 00:26:16.940
But at that point it was still all verbal.

00:26:17.339 --> 00:26:37.099
Um there was a lot of, I will say it was kind of I I guess I would say emotional too, because I there were a lot of times when I felt crazy because I would say I didn't say that, I said this, and he would say, No, you didn't.

00:26:37.339 --> 00:26:47.819
And I just I thought I okay, I must have forgotten, you know, like I I I couldn't understand why someone would say that if that wasn't true.

00:26:47.980 --> 00:26:54.140
So I thought, oh, I must have forgotten, or I must have, and uh we were we were having issues with drinking too.

00:26:54.220 --> 00:27:00.619
So I was like, did I drink too much and forgot what I said, or yeah, and stress, probably not sleeping well either.

00:27:00.779 --> 00:27:01.259
Yeah.

00:27:03.099 --> 00:27:06.779
So that was kind of the way it went for that year.

00:27:06.940 --> 00:27:25.500
The first year that we were in this house was a lot of fighting, some drinking, a lot of gaslighting, where I didn't say that, or you didn't say that, or that wasn't what you meant, or a lot of times um calling out my tone, even though I wasn't upset.

00:27:25.660 --> 00:27:32.140
Like he would say, Well, you sound you sound mad, or don't use that tone with me.

00:27:32.299 --> 00:27:38.779
And I'm like, I'm not using a tone, I'm talking normally, I don't really understand what's happening.

00:27:39.099 --> 00:27:48.299
Um but after that first year, that's when things escalated to physical abuse.

00:27:49.339 --> 00:27:55.819
Um oh, I should actually, I forgot something really important.

00:27:56.299 --> 00:27:59.579
Um, so we moved here in October 2020.

00:27:59.819 --> 00:28:08.059
Um he was having a lot of issues with his mental health at that point.

00:28:08.859 --> 00:28:24.059
And one of the things that he started doing was on more than one occasion, I think not regularly, but on more than one occasion, probably two or three times, he had slapped my older daughters.

00:28:24.380 --> 00:28:27.420
And I told him he can't do that, it's not okay.

00:28:27.579 --> 00:28:30.299
And they actually talked to my parents about it too.

00:28:30.380 --> 00:28:36.539
Like when they went and slept over, and my parents came over and said to him, Don't lay hands on my grandchildren again.

00:28:36.619 --> 00:28:39.500
Like my dad said, I will call the cops on you.

00:28:39.579 --> 00:28:41.339
You you will not be okay.

00:28:41.660 --> 00:28:52.619
Um, so at that point, he did, he didn't um do anything to my daughters again physically at that point.

00:28:53.180 --> 00:28:57.740
Um, but he started taking it out on me.

00:28:58.220 --> 00:29:11.579
So in November of 2021, he actually we were having an argument, and we were in the bedroom, and I was just like sitting on the bed and he was standing up.

00:29:11.740 --> 00:29:13.339
And he's a really big guy.

00:29:13.420 --> 00:29:16.700
I I'm like 5'4, and he's 6'3.

00:29:17.819 --> 00:29:24.460
And at that time, I was probably like 120 pounds, and he was like 250.

00:29:24.859 --> 00:29:27.579
Um, so he had a lot of size on me.

00:29:27.740 --> 00:29:38.700
And I was sitting on the bed and he was standing up, and we were arguing, and he picked me up off the bed, and he just threw me on the floor, and we have hardwood floors, so he just threw me on the floor.

00:29:39.019 --> 00:29:44.940
Um, and I didn't I didn't know what to do.

00:29:45.180 --> 00:29:51.259
I just when that happens, you're just like, did that did that really happen?

00:29:51.819 --> 00:30:00.460
Because it's not something that you think is ever gonna happen to you, and it's just kind of shocking, and you're not really sure how to handle it.

00:30:00.700 --> 00:30:12.460
So I just kind of it was right before Thanksgiving, and I did end up having just bruises all over my body, but mostly that under my clothes.

00:30:12.700 --> 00:30:25.180
So, like we went to Thanksgiving at my parents' house, and I wore a dress that covered everything except I had one like right here, and my sleeve went to like here.

00:30:25.259 --> 00:30:29.980
So if it like came up a little bit, you could see just like a hint of a bruise.

00:30:30.940 --> 00:30:39.819
And my mom saw the bruise, but she didn't really think anything of it because you know, she didn't she didn't think that was going on.

00:30:40.059 --> 00:30:55.339
So just seeing like that little edge of the bruise, she just thought I must have, you know, hit my head on or hit my arm on something, or she didn't ask about it because she didn't want, like she didn't think that there was anything to ask about.

00:30:55.500 --> 00:31:03.740
She just thought, because I I can be clumsy, you know, sometimes I'll have like a bruise on my shin or something.

00:31:03.980 --> 00:31:07.500
So she didn't really think anything of it at the time.

00:31:07.900 --> 00:31:13.900
Um, but yeah, I was kind of hiding a whole bunch of really bad bruises at that time.

00:31:14.779 --> 00:31:29.420
And then so that that was kind of that was the start of the physical abuse, and I did he and did he say anything about it, or did you guys talk about it at all after the first time?

00:31:29.819 --> 00:31:31.019
No, not really.

00:31:31.259 --> 00:31:35.819
I think like no, we didn't really talk about it.

00:31:36.299 --> 00:31:49.660
And I guess I just thought, like, because he does have like a history of impulse control issues, because he does have like ADHD and he is on the spectrum.

00:31:49.900 --> 00:31:57.180
So I just kind of thought because he wasn't going to um a doctor at the time, he wasn't on any medication for it.

00:31:57.339 --> 00:32:00.460
So I thought, oh, well, he just needs to get his medication.

00:32:00.619 --> 00:32:08.380
Like, this is just like a you know, like I kind of brushed it off, like explained it away because it hadn't happened before.

00:32:08.460 --> 00:32:13.339
So I thought, you know, and we had been together for four years at that point.

00:32:13.579 --> 00:32:20.460
So um, but that was so that was in November of 2021.

00:32:20.539 --> 00:32:45.819
In December of 2021, we were having an argument when I was driving, and um, our daughter, just our daughter, not my older two, but our daughter was in the car, so she was two, and we were just like bickering, I don't nothing important, just having a disagreement for some reason.

00:32:46.220 --> 00:32:59.500
And I was driving, of course, because he couldn't drive, and um he decided he was gonna end the argument by hitting me in the jaw while I was driving.

00:32:59.900 --> 00:33:04.220
Um, so I I pulled over to the side of the road.

00:33:04.299 --> 00:33:07.339
I told him to get out of the car and he he walked home.

00:33:07.740 --> 00:33:10.859
And then I don't think we talked about it.

00:33:11.019 --> 00:33:16.700
I think it was just kind of like that obviously wasn't okay, you know.

00:33:17.019 --> 00:33:19.099
So I made him get out of the car and go home.

00:33:19.180 --> 00:33:23.980
I I think I called him out on the fact that our daughter was in the car.

00:33:24.220 --> 00:33:41.900
Like, you shouldn't have done that in front of her, you shouldn't have hit me while I was driving while she was in the car because I could have crashed, we could have gotten hurt, you know, that kind of thing, but nothing changed from there.

00:33:42.619 --> 00:34:09.099
Um, and then in January of 2022, so it was just right in a row, like November, December, January, January of 2022, we were having an argument, and it was one of the instances where I just wanted to get away from him because the argument wasn't gonna go anywhere, it was just gonna escalate.

00:34:09.500 --> 00:34:15.500
Um, so I he wouldn't let me, you know, it was the same thing.

00:34:15.659 --> 00:34:18.539
If I went to another room, he would just follow me.

00:34:19.099 --> 00:34:22.940
So I went into the bathroom and I locked the door.

00:34:23.819 --> 00:34:29.579
And he broke down the door to get to me.

00:34:30.539 --> 00:34:42.940
And I don't really know what he would have done because my kids were home and they were this was downstairs that we were, and the kids were upstairs and they were really scared.

00:34:43.179 --> 00:34:53.500
And my oldest daughter, who was she would be 11 at the time, she called 911.

00:34:53.659 --> 00:34:59.019
So the police came and they kind of de-escalated the situation.

00:35:00.300 --> 00:35:08.380
Um, I don't know what would have happened if she hadn't called the police because he broke down the door to get to me.

00:35:08.460 --> 00:35:12.300
So obviously something was gonna happen pretty bad.

00:35:12.940 --> 00:35:23.260
Um, it was kind of like so he broke the door down, and I guess she had because we had been fighting and it had been really loud up until that point.

00:35:23.420 --> 00:35:40.300
So she had called like minutes earlier before he broke the door down, and it was kind of like he broke the door down, he came in to the bathroom, and then we heard a knock on the on the front door saying, you know, police, you have to open up.

00:35:40.619 --> 00:35:43.099
And and he actually said to me, What should I do?

00:35:43.260 --> 00:35:46.139
And I'm like, you have to open the door, the cops are here.

00:35:46.380 --> 00:35:47.980
Like, oh my gosh.

00:35:48.940 --> 00:36:17.340
So that's the only like I really don't know what would have happened if they hadn't showed up, but they kind of um, you know, like they separated us, talked to us each, made sure everyone was okay, and asked if I wanted to press charges, and I said no, which of course I regret.

00:36:18.219 --> 00:36:18.539
Right.

00:36:18.619 --> 00:36:23.579
But I mean, how many, how many stories, how many of us have been there and you don't?

00:36:25.019 --> 00:36:25.659
Yeah.

00:36:26.059 --> 00:36:31.579
So I at that point, so that happened in January of 2022.

00:36:32.139 --> 00:36:42.460
Um, at that point, there weren't any like there weren't any incidents like that.

00:36:42.780 --> 00:36:50.860
Um, like the there weren't any there wasn't any physical abuse for like the next year.

00:36:51.260 --> 00:36:56.059
Um, but it was walking on eggshells all the time.

00:36:56.380 --> 00:37:00.860
Um, you know, it was like we weren't getting along.

00:37:01.179 --> 00:37:04.139
We were just kind of existing in the same house together.

00:37:04.219 --> 00:37:14.300
And he wasn't so he had stopped, like he didn't slap my kids again after I talked to him and my parents talked to him about it.

00:37:14.780 --> 00:37:17.420
But he wasn't nice to them.

00:37:17.820 --> 00:37:24.539
And especially my middle daughter, for some reason, he really had it out for her.

00:37:24.699 --> 00:37:41.099
He would he would ask her to do things that she didn't know how to do, and then be really critical of her when she couldn't do it, and then insist that she still had to do it, even though she made it clear that she wasn't sure how.

00:37:41.260 --> 00:37:47.500
And I don't know, it must have been a power play or something, um, because it didn't make sense.

00:37:47.659 --> 00:37:50.460
It didn't make sense what he was asking her to do.

00:37:50.619 --> 00:37:59.340
It would just be stupid things, like one time he wanted her to pick up the cat because she was scared to pick up the cat because he would he would scratch.

00:37:59.420 --> 00:38:00.380
He's a cat.

00:38:00.940 --> 00:38:03.179
And he would not let it go.

00:38:03.260 --> 00:38:08.059
He would not let her walk away, he would not let her say no, she had to do it.

00:38:08.219 --> 00:38:09.820
And I didn't understand that.

00:38:09.900 --> 00:38:25.179
And I would say things to him, but he would act like I was like not disciplining my kids because I wasn't asking these like nonsensical things of them.

00:38:25.739 --> 00:38:45.739
Um, so he and my middle daughter, so I'm again, I don't know why she was the target, but she was, and she had actually at one like towards the end of our relationship, had a nervous tick where she would like do this clicking.

00:38:45.980 --> 00:38:46.860
Poor baby.

00:38:47.340 --> 00:38:56.780
Yeah, and I actually said to him, you know, she does that because of you, and he was like, No, what is that's has nothing to do with me, that's just something that she does.

00:38:57.099 --> 00:39:00.940
But once I kicked him out, it went away within a couple months.

00:39:01.019 --> 00:39:03.500
So I wow, yeah.

00:39:03.900 --> 00:39:13.179
Um, so now I guess I'll get to the part that I didn't know about that was going on.

00:39:14.139 --> 00:39:17.739
Um, so I don't know.

00:39:18.059 --> 00:39:26.860
There's a lot that I don't know because I don't want to press my daughter to talk about things that are really hard for her, um, for her mental health.

00:39:27.099 --> 00:39:35.019
So I don't know every detail, but I do know that when she was 10, he started grooming her.

00:39:35.900 --> 00:39:47.739
And um I found out after everything um happened, I found out that when she was 10, there was a point where we went camping.

00:39:47.900 --> 00:39:49.260
Well, we went to a cabin.

00:39:49.340 --> 00:39:56.219
It wasn't really camping, but we went to a cabin as a family and just having like a nice weekend.

00:39:56.539 --> 00:40:04.780
And my my youngest daughter was she would have been one at the time.

00:40:04.860 --> 00:40:06.539
So she was just a baby baby.

00:40:06.780 --> 00:40:09.900
And I was sleeping.

00:40:10.059 --> 00:40:15.579
Um, the baby and I were sleeping in like the main room, and then my middle daughter was asleep.

00:40:15.659 --> 00:40:16.940
There were bunk beds.

00:40:17.099 --> 00:40:23.260
Um, but my oldest daughter was still awake, and my husband was awake.

00:40:24.380 --> 00:40:41.500
Um and my oldest daughter had asked him to play like a board game, and he said, uh, yeah, like we can do that, but here you have to drink this beer and give me a kiss.

00:40:43.260 --> 00:41:07.340
So um I didn't that wasn't even though he was abusive to me and he had been abusive to the girls, like he had slapped them and he was um, I don't even know, I guess like psychologically abusing my middle daughter, really.

00:41:07.500 --> 00:41:15.099
Um, I didn't like sexual abuse was not on my radar of my children.

00:41:15.260 --> 00:41:19.099
That was not something that I thought would ever happen.

00:41:19.260 --> 00:41:29.980
I had known him for a really long time, and he was always like when he lived in Seattle, he lived with a woman who was 10 or 15 years older than him.

00:41:30.139 --> 00:41:37.659
He always was with older people, or he was more interested in older women, at least that's what he said.

00:41:38.380 --> 00:41:45.739
So it didn't even occur to me that he that would be something that would that would happen.

00:41:46.300 --> 00:41:54.780
Obviously, it wasn't on my radar because I had kids, and if I had thought that that was a possibility, he would not have been in my house ever.

00:41:55.099 --> 00:41:56.539
Of course, of course, yeah.

00:41:56.860 --> 00:42:05.420
Yeah, so that's I think that that incident when she was 10 was kind of the start of the grooming.

00:42:05.739 --> 00:42:17.340
And then from there, a lot of it was just kind of trying to be like her friend, like, you know, like I understand you, that kind of thing.

00:42:17.579 --> 00:42:40.380
Um but there was something that happened right before um I kicked him out that seemed weird to me, but I didn't realize that it was indicative of what it was indicative of.

00:42:40.539 --> 00:43:07.179
So what happened was so my daughter was 12, and she was like, you know, she's 12, she's going through puberty, so she was like getting curious, and and you know, there would for some reason he thought it was appropriate to take her to a store and say, you can go in there and and buy yourself a vibrator.

00:43:08.300 --> 00:43:22.539
Um, and I thought like does why does I didn't think that it was because he was like sexually abusing her.

00:43:22.699 --> 00:43:27.980
I thought it was because he was clueless and dumb and didn't understand that it was inappropriate.

00:43:28.539 --> 00:43:29.019
Right.

00:43:29.260 --> 00:43:39.260
Um, so I was kind of like that wasn't appropriate, but I didn't I didn't realize that it meant what it meant.

00:43:39.579 --> 00:43:46.780
So that was probably that was probably like the beginning of February of 2023.

00:43:47.099 --> 00:44:00.780
And then on February 28th of 2023, we were home and I was just um we actually had a fight that night too.

00:44:00.940 --> 00:44:02.860
Um, it's normal.

00:44:03.500 --> 00:44:06.460
Um, but we had a fight.

00:44:06.539 --> 00:44:08.619
I actually remember what that fight was about.

00:44:08.780 --> 00:44:16.460
I was playing a game with the kids, it was like one of those like murder mystery and a box games.

00:44:17.019 --> 00:44:18.059
Yeah, those are fun.

00:44:18.219 --> 00:44:20.059
Yeah, we live those in my house.

00:44:20.780 --> 00:44:21.659
Yeah, yeah.

00:44:21.820 --> 00:44:28.300
Um but I was like we were trying to like work through the clues, and I was getting a little overwhelmed.

00:44:28.460 --> 00:44:36.699
So I just wanted to go in the bedroom and just take like 10 minutes to myself because I just get sometimes I get overwhelmed.

00:44:36.780 --> 00:44:40.619
So I just need a couple minutes to myself, and then I'll come back and everything's fine.

00:44:40.860 --> 00:44:42.219
But he didn't like that.

00:44:42.460 --> 00:44:51.340
He followed me to the bedroom and he told me that I was ruining game night, and the kids were really upset, even though the kids didn't care.

00:44:52.380 --> 00:44:56.619
And we just like the fight escalated from there.

00:44:56.699 --> 00:44:58.940
I was kind of like, What are you talking about?

00:44:59.179 --> 00:45:00.699
They are not upset at all.

00:45:00.860 --> 00:45:04.699
I'm coming back in five minutes, nothing bad is happening.

00:45:04.860 --> 00:45:06.780
Why do we have to fight about this?

00:45:07.579 --> 00:45:09.659
And he wouldn't let it go.

00:45:09.980 --> 00:45:23.579
So I actually tried to leave the house because I thought, I'll if he's not gonna let me go to another room and cool off, I'm gonna go take a walk and then I'll come back.

00:45:24.059 --> 00:45:32.139
But I got maybe halfway down the driveway and he followed me and he picked me up and he carried me back to the house.

00:45:34.139 --> 00:45:44.460
And from there, we just kind of went on with our evening, like finished the game, like it didn't happen, kind of.

00:45:45.420 --> 00:45:49.260
And then at bedtime, I was really tired.

00:45:49.500 --> 00:45:53.260
I was like passing out tired.

00:45:53.340 --> 00:45:54.619
I was so tired.

00:45:55.019 --> 00:46:01.980
But he he wanted to stay up, and my oldest daughter wanted to, they they were gonna watch a movie together.

00:46:02.219 --> 00:46:04.300
That's that's what they said.

00:46:04.780 --> 00:46:09.900
Um so that's what I thought happened.

00:46:10.139 --> 00:46:15.340
Um, that they just watched a movie together um while I was sleeping.

00:46:17.099 --> 00:46:21.179
And I mean, the rest that was a Tuesday.

00:46:21.340 --> 00:46:27.900
Um, the rest of the week just kind of went on as normal and you know, school and work.

00:46:28.380 --> 00:46:41.019
And then on Saturday, which was March 4th, um I was my daughter, my oldest daughter was an usher at the school play, and it was that weekend.

00:46:41.179 --> 00:46:53.980
And there was uh the school had sent an email saying that um on Sunday they had to do set breakdown and everyone had to bring a parent volunteer.

00:46:54.300 --> 00:46:55.900
So I had some things to do.

00:46:56.059 --> 00:47:06.619
I had like tours to do, so I was telling her, Oh, your stepdad's gonna take you to do the to do the breakdown on Sunday, um, since I can't.

00:47:06.860 --> 00:47:15.420
And she got a really uncomfortable look, and she said he he didn't tell you what happened.

00:47:16.460 --> 00:47:28.940
Um and I I just I don't like my stomach dropped because that didn't sound good, you know.

00:47:29.099 --> 00:47:31.099
Like, what what do you mean what happened?

00:47:31.260 --> 00:47:32.860
What what happened?

00:47:33.420 --> 00:47:42.300
And she told me that on Tuesday night when I was sleeping and they were watching a movie together, um, he had sexually assaulted her.

00:47:43.579 --> 00:48:11.820
And he had been really drunk, and um she told me she didn't tell me all the details um because again, I don't want to push her to tell her story unless she wants to, except for like she had to talk to detectives and she had to talk to um like advocates and tell them her story in detail.

00:48:12.219 --> 00:48:25.179
So I I asked her what happened and she did kind of she explained that he had touched her breast, he had licked her breast.

00:48:25.420 --> 00:48:33.179
Um otherwise, I we didn't from that point.

00:48:33.260 --> 00:48:34.940
That was all that I needed to hear.

00:48:35.099 --> 00:48:39.500
Um because he was asleep at that point um in our bed.

00:48:39.980 --> 00:48:47.659
Um, so I went and woke him up and I said, I know what you did, and you need to get out of my house.

00:48:48.699 --> 00:48:50.940
So luckily he did.

00:48:51.340 --> 00:48:58.139
Um in retrospect, I realized that he could have done something really bad at that point.

00:48:58.460 --> 00:49:03.099
Um, so maybe, maybe it would have been a better idea to call the police first.

00:49:03.420 --> 00:49:07.980
But at that point, I was just you hurt my kid, get out of my house, you know.

00:49:08.460 --> 00:49:21.980
Um so that started this journey that that we just kind of just kind of wrapped up in June of this year.

00:49:23.099 --> 00:49:33.420
Um, because I did, I actually didn't call the cops that day on Saturday because my daughter asked me if she could finish her play first.

00:49:33.900 --> 00:49:38.300
She really wanted to do that, and I wanted to do what was most comfortable for her.

00:49:38.780 --> 00:49:40.219
So I did it.

00:49:40.380 --> 00:49:42.780
That was really hard because I had to go.

00:49:42.860 --> 00:49:47.019
I had to get, I think it was it was uh it was Annie.

00:49:47.179 --> 00:50:02.380
It was um, so I had to go watch Annie while like with all this in my head, um, and just kind of act, you know, normal because I was out with, you know, at the middle school.

00:50:03.260 --> 00:50:19.099
Um and actually, so on that was Saturday, on Sunday we had to do the teardown, but they were having another show, and my parents were coming to that show, and I hadn't told them yet.

00:50:19.500 --> 00:50:28.780
So that was the really uncomfortable situation where we did like the teardown um of the set and all that.

00:50:28.940 --> 00:50:34.699
I had to do that, um, even though I this was going on in the back of my mind.

00:50:35.099 --> 00:50:40.059
And then I came home and that's when we called the police.

00:50:40.300 --> 00:50:48.860
Actually, my I didn't say anything to my parents when we were at the play because I didn't want to bring it up in public.

00:50:49.340 --> 00:51:01.099
But when we got back to my house, we sat down and I said, you know, there's a reason that my husband isn't here right now, and this is what happened.

00:51:01.420 --> 00:51:21.340
And it was actually it was really nice that they were there because that's when I called the cops, and the cops came over when they were still there, and they talked to my daughter, and just kind of got enough for the report and to get things rolling from there.

00:51:21.900 --> 00:51:43.420
And then there was a detective assigned to the case, and so I so I had just kicked my husband out, and he didn't have a job, and he doesn't really have any friends here because he's not from here and and he's not really a social person.

00:51:44.380 --> 00:52:07.739
Um so when I kicked him out, he decided to check himself in to a um inpatient mental health center because when you do that, um HIPAA loss means that detectives can't find you there because they're not allowed to say that you're there.

00:52:08.139 --> 00:52:20.619
Um so he went, he ended up um going down to Philly for his inpatient care, and the detectives couldn't find him there.

00:52:21.019 --> 00:52:28.219
And then when he was released from that facility, he was homeless.

00:52:28.539 --> 00:52:41.019
So, and the homeless shelters also don't really cooperate with law enforcement, so they couldn't really get any details on where he was at that point either.

00:52:41.340 --> 00:52:44.619
So it was kind of a wild goose chase for a while.

00:52:44.780 --> 00:52:55.500
There were times where they, because he did go to one of the temp jobs he had had, he ended up taking.

00:52:55.900 --> 00:53:03.579
I there was some kind of deal where he could work in, it was like a um manufacturing facility.

00:53:04.059 --> 00:53:10.619
They had some kind of thing where if he worked there, like they would pay for a hotel room across the street.

00:53:10.860 --> 00:53:18.780
So he got he was doing that, and the detectives were able to find where he was when he was doing that.

00:53:18.940 --> 00:53:23.900
So they did interview him, but it was just kind of the initial investigation.

00:53:24.059 --> 00:53:41.500
So it wasn't they couldn't arrest him yet, they were still investigating things, and it was really hard to keep a track of him because he left that job and then so he wasn't living in the hotel anymore.

00:53:41.659 --> 00:53:59.500
He was he was what we kind of later found out he had moved in with uh an old co-worker's cousin who was 19 and her 14-year-old brother living with them.

00:53:59.820 --> 00:54:00.460
Yeah.

00:54:01.420 --> 00:54:24.139
So that obviously was uh not an appropriate situation, and they were I actually because I found out about that because his former co-worker had said something to me, and I was like, he's not safe to be around your cousin and your cousins.

00:54:24.300 --> 00:54:29.420
That's not you need to let them know that that's not appropriate.

00:54:29.820 --> 00:54:32.219
How old, how old was he at the time?

00:54:32.780 --> 00:54:39.260
He was um let's see, well no, no, it was 35.

00:54:40.059 --> 00:54:41.739
And an 18-year-old.

00:54:41.900 --> 00:54:42.539
Oh my gosh.

00:54:42.780 --> 00:54:43.420
Yeah.

00:54:44.300 --> 00:54:45.340
Oh yeah.

00:54:45.659 --> 00:54:51.420
So they they did end up um asking him to leave, fortunately.

00:54:51.659 --> 00:54:53.500
So I'm really glad that they did.

00:54:53.659 --> 00:54:57.659
Um, because I don't I don't know if anything happened to them, you know.

00:54:57.739 --> 00:55:11.820
Maybe something did it's up to them whether or not they want to talk about it, or but um it wouldn't surprise me because you know, he's obviously a predator, like that's been established now.

00:55:11.980 --> 00:55:39.980
So um, but then he kind of um he was in different homeless shelters for a while, and so the detectives couldn't really track him down, and they did actually get to a point where they were ready to press charges, and they didn't press charges until January of 2024, so almost almost a year after the actual incident.

00:55:40.860 --> 00:55:46.380
Um, I don't really understand the justice system, even though I've had to deal with it.

00:55:46.539 --> 00:55:49.019
I don't understand why it took that long.

00:55:49.179 --> 00:55:52.699
I think some of it was because he was so hard to track down.

00:55:52.780 --> 00:55:57.980
So, like doing the interviews with him and things like that, um, that was difficult.

00:55:58.300 --> 00:56:06.699
And I know that there was some, there were some things like my daughter had to go to counseling.

00:56:06.860 --> 00:56:11.820
Uh, she went through uh like she got free counseling as as a victim.

00:56:12.460 --> 00:56:29.340
And the detective was able to like coordinate with our permission with her therapist, um, just to kind of see where she was because they wanted to make sure if we had to go to trial that she would be able to testify.

00:56:29.659 --> 00:56:29.980
Okay.

00:56:30.380 --> 00:56:35.820
So I think they were holding off on charges for that reason as well.

00:56:36.059 --> 00:56:43.659
But then so maybe they were just making sure they had everything in place that going to trial, he was going to be found guilty.

00:56:44.059 --> 00:56:53.500
Yeah, I think they just wanted to make sure that you know he wasn't just gonna get off because they'd hadn't, you know, checked all their boxes or something like that.

00:56:53.579 --> 00:56:54.699
Yeah, yeah.

00:56:55.179 --> 00:57:03.820
So um, so then they did, I think they filed charges around like mid-January of 2024, um, but they didn't know where he was.

00:57:03.980 --> 00:57:10.699
So they filed the charges and there was a like a warrant for his arrest, but they had no clue where he was.

00:57:11.179 --> 00:57:21.579
Um, and then I got a Facebook message on, I think it was January 21st or 22nd.

00:57:21.659 --> 00:57:24.940
My birthday's the 23rd, so I know it was right before my birthday.

00:57:25.179 --> 00:57:25.420
Okay.

00:57:25.659 --> 00:57:36.139
And I got a Facebook message from a woman saying, Hey, uh, I think that you're his ex-wife.

00:57:36.699 --> 00:57:41.739
And my friend just met him a couple weeks ago, and he's moving in with her.

00:57:41.900 --> 00:57:46.860
And I did a background check on him, and I see these pretty serious charges were filed.

00:57:46.940 --> 00:57:53.260
And I just wanted to know if you have any input about that because she was just wanting to make sure that her friend was okay.

00:57:53.579 --> 00:57:54.780
That is a good friend.

00:57:54.940 --> 00:57:56.539
We all need that friend.

00:57:56.780 --> 00:57:57.420
Yes.

00:57:57.900 --> 00:57:59.420
So I told her everything.

00:57:59.579 --> 00:58:02.940
I said that, you know, he did all this to me.

00:58:03.340 --> 00:58:05.739
Um, he did this to my daughter.

00:58:05.980 --> 00:58:08.460
He's not, he's not a safe person.

00:58:08.619 --> 00:58:12.780
And I actually like we talked back and forth for a long time.

00:58:13.099 --> 00:58:18.059
And I said, the police are looking for him.

00:58:18.139 --> 00:58:19.900
They don't know where he is.

00:58:20.300 --> 00:58:28.300
Um, if could you give me your friend's address so I can let the police know where he is?

00:58:28.699 --> 00:58:30.300
So she agreed.

00:58:30.380 --> 00:58:41.739
And we actually, it was a little bit difficult because she had like she had gone to her friend's house several times, but she didn't know the exact, it was like a like a townhouse complex.

00:58:42.059 --> 00:58:48.539
So she didn't know the exact number, but she knew like to look at a map where it was.

00:58:49.179 --> 00:58:55.019
So I actually called the police and I said, I called the police where he was.

00:58:55.179 --> 00:59:01.900
He was actually in um like central Pennsylvania at that point, and we're in eastern Pennsylvania.

00:59:01.980 --> 00:59:04.940
So he did, he went like two hours away.

00:59:05.340 --> 00:59:14.139
Um, and so I called the police out there and let them know, hey, there's a warrant for this person's arrest, and I know where he is.

00:59:14.300 --> 00:59:23.659
Um, and I gave the address that the friend had gave given me, but the police went there and they said that was not the correct address that someone else answered the door.

00:59:23.900 --> 00:59:25.500
I was shooting yeah.

00:59:25.659 --> 00:59:34.699
So I was like, I asked the the um the girl who had had um messaged me about her friend.

00:59:34.860 --> 00:59:42.699
I said, would you be able to call the police and kind of direct them because they're having trouble finding the right unit.

00:59:43.099 --> 00:59:53.900
So she did, she did call them and and gave them more, you know, precise directions, and they found the right unit and they did arrest him.

00:59:54.300 --> 01:00:02.219
Um and then he was um so he was held there for a couple days and then they sent him back to this county.

01:00:02.380 --> 01:00:14.139
Um, and he was held on a hundred and fifty thousand dollar bail, which he had no resources, so he wasn't going anywhere.

01:00:14.460 --> 01:00:20.059
And we that was a really hard.

01:00:24.460 --> 01:00:27.260
That's just kind of the start of it, you know.

01:00:27.340 --> 01:00:42.219
Like you think once they get arrested, like things are over, kind of that's just like the beginning of the justice process, and it's really it's confusing if you've never been in it before.

01:00:42.460 --> 01:00:50.139
Um, it can be really hard to navigate, and you don't always get information about what's happening.

01:00:50.300 --> 01:00:57.099
There's a lot that's happening behind the scenes that you don't know about, and then you have to just kind of wait for either.

01:00:57.340 --> 01:01:12.780
So we we met with the district attorney um a few times, so they would give us information, but a lot of the times I was kind of like, I don't really understand what that means for like what's actually gonna happen.

01:01:13.099 --> 01:01:29.900
Um, so we did at that point, they would start um scheduling like status conferences to talk about what is going to happen from there.

01:01:30.139 --> 01:01:39.099
And my my dad and I would go to every status conference that was scheduled, but they would be continued all the time.

01:01:39.260 --> 01:01:51.340
So we would go to the courthouse, we would sit and wait for for our case to be called, and then the DA would come out and say, Oh, they're continuing it.

01:01:51.500 --> 01:01:54.300
So you'll just have to come back another time.

01:01:55.019 --> 01:01:58.539
Um, so we were really nervous at that point.

01:01:58.699 --> 01:02:16.219
He was charged with um two felonies and a misdemeanor, and it was just kind of there was a really wide range of what could happen based on which one of those he got, you know, if any of them, that he got convicted of.

01:02:16.460 --> 01:02:23.739
And there was a lot of back and forth about whether or not he was going to plead guilty or plead no contest.

01:02:23.980 --> 01:02:29.739
At first he said he was going to plead no contest, um, but then he changed his mind.

01:02:30.380 --> 01:02:34.300
And then there was actually a trial scheduled.

01:02:34.619 --> 01:02:39.900
So we assumed that we were going to have to go to trial, which was really upsetting for my daughter.

01:02:40.059 --> 01:02:41.739
She did not want to go through a trial.

01:02:41.900 --> 01:02:52.619
Um, she had no interest in that, but but she was willing to do it because she wanted to make sure that he he got some kind of sentence.

01:02:52.860 --> 01:02:58.300
Um, so eventually there was a lot of back and forth.

01:02:58.460 --> 01:03:11.260
Um we just well, I should say, so he had uh he had a public defender, um, and then there was an issue because that public defender left the public defender's office.

01:03:11.340 --> 01:03:24.219
So then he had to get a new one, and they kind of had to start over with that because, you know, like they have to be brought up to speed on where the the case is and all of that.

01:03:25.019 --> 01:03:35.739
So that was a big setback, and then we would get things continued a lot because he was asking for additional mental health evaluations.

01:03:36.780 --> 01:03:46.300
Um, so that was a big thing where we would go, and they would be like, oh no, they have to do another mental health evaluation, so we're gonna do this another time.

01:03:47.420 --> 01:04:01.739
Eventually, eventually we got to the point where it was, I think it was early this year, he finally pled guilty.

01:04:01.980 --> 01:04:03.579
He took a plea deal.

01:04:04.139 --> 01:04:10.059
Um, he was convicted of, I believe, one of the felonies.

01:04:10.380 --> 01:04:26.380
It was definitely a felony, but um the misdemeanor was dropped, and then the other I believe it's the most serious felony that he was convicted of, but they decided they agreed to drop the other felony and the misdemeanor.

01:04:26.860 --> 01:04:33.420
So he pled guilty to that, but then we had to wait for sentencing.

01:04:34.940 --> 01:04:42.699
And sentencing was originally scheduled for March, I think.

01:04:43.179 --> 01:04:51.980
March of this year, and it got continued multiple times, uh, and finally happened in June.

01:04:52.860 --> 01:04:58.619
June, I think it was June 24th.

01:04:58.780 --> 01:05:16.619
Um, so we got to go like I don't say got to go because it wasn't fun, but um my parents went, I went, my daughter went.

01:05:16.780 --> 01:05:22.380
Um actually, my daughter and um my oldest and my middle daughter.

01:05:22.539 --> 01:05:28.699
My middle daughter wanted to go to to support her sister, so she went as well.

01:05:28.940 --> 01:05:39.900
And then my um older daughter's father came up from he lives near Baltimore, so he drove up to um come to.

01:05:40.619 --> 01:05:43.659
And I read a victim impact statement.

01:05:43.739 --> 01:05:56.139
I read one for myself, and then I read one for my daughter as well because she she didn't want to speak publicly, but she did want her words to be heard, so um, I was able to do that.

01:05:56.460 --> 01:06:05.659
And he was um sentenced to 30 to 60 months with time served.

01:06:05.900 --> 01:06:12.219
So he at that time had been in jail for almost a year and a half.

01:06:12.380 --> 01:06:16.860
Um, so at this point, it would be another year.

01:06:18.300 --> 01:06:24.940
Um, and so I'm I'm I'm not thrilled with that part of the sentencing.

01:06:25.099 --> 01:06:33.260
Um, what I am happy about is he is a tier three sex offender and he will have to register for the rest of his life.

01:06:33.500 --> 01:06:46.380
Um and that was really important to me and my daughter because we wanted people to know, like if they if they searched him, we wanted them to know that he's not a safe person to be around.

01:06:46.780 --> 01:06:52.619
Um so that's kind of where we're at now.

01:06:53.099 --> 01:06:57.980
Um now my youngest daughter is his daughter.

01:06:58.300 --> 01:07:09.500
Um when I kicked him out after I found out what he did, I was granted a um protection from abuse.

01:07:09.900 --> 01:07:13.659
And it's good for three years, and it names all three of my children.

01:07:13.820 --> 01:07:19.420
So that means that he couldn't have contact with his daughter even if he wanted to.

01:07:19.900 --> 01:07:26.139
Um now, as part of the sentence saying he's not allowed to have contact with any of us.

01:07:27.340 --> 01:07:37.019
Um, of course, the time he's incarcerated, but also for the entire time he's on probation, which he was uh sentenced to three years of probation.

01:07:37.659 --> 01:07:45.099
So what I'm doing now, um, or trying to do, I've been trying to find a lawyer.

01:07:45.179 --> 01:07:46.619
It's been a little difficult.

01:07:46.940 --> 01:07:57.099
But what I'm in the process of now is um trying to get his parental rights terminated because I don't want to be in a situation.

01:07:58.699 --> 01:08:05.260
Sometimes you hear horror stories where someone who should not have contact with a child, even supervised contact with a child.

01:08:05.579 --> 01:08:06.780
They are out there, yeah.

01:08:07.739 --> 01:08:16.219
Um, and then something really bad happens, and I I and then they just throw their hands in the air, like, oh well, we couldn't have seen that coming.

01:08:16.539 --> 01:08:17.579
Yeah, exactly.

01:08:17.739 --> 01:08:18.139
Yeah.

01:08:18.380 --> 01:08:22.699
So um, so yeah, I I'm working on that.

01:08:22.860 --> 01:08:29.659
I I feel like I do have some time because he's in at minimum.

01:08:30.619 --> 01:08:38.780
He could get out this coming summer, but then we have three years beyond that before he's allowed to contact his daughter.

01:08:38.940 --> 01:08:48.460
Although I will say I don't know that he'll respect that because it is just a piece of paper at the end of the day.

01:08:49.020 --> 01:09:00.300
Um, so I do want to get those rights like legally terminated so that if he does ever try to get in contact with her, he has no right to do so.

01:09:00.699 --> 01:09:03.260
Um are you facing like pushback?

01:09:03.340 --> 01:09:05.659
Have you talked to attorneys and have they said no?

01:09:05.819 --> 01:09:09.180
Or is it just difficult finding somebody that specializes in doing that?

01:09:09.579 --> 01:09:12.859
It's difficult finding somebody that specializes in doing that.

01:09:12.939 --> 01:09:16.460
And I have through my job, I have legal insurance.

01:09:16.539 --> 01:09:21.659
So I'm trying to find someone that takes the legal insurance that knows how to do that.

01:09:21.819 --> 01:09:25.899
Um, so that's been the difficulty.

01:09:26.060 --> 01:09:33.659
I did contact a couple um lawyers that take the insurance, but they're like, oh, we don't do termination of parental rates.

01:09:33.819 --> 01:09:43.979
So just trying to find the the match where they'll take my insurance because I legal things are very expensive.

01:09:44.380 --> 01:09:45.899
They are, they're crazy.

01:09:46.140 --> 01:09:48.619
Well, and I'm sure he's not going to sign them over.

01:09:48.859 --> 01:09:51.579
He's not going to agree, obviously.

01:09:51.819 --> 01:09:53.100
Oh my gosh.

01:09:54.619 --> 01:09:57.340
This has been like just a wild.

01:09:57.819 --> 01:10:05.020
You know, I was actually thinking about um when you were telling your story how he was treating your middle daughter differently.

01:10:05.180 --> 01:10:10.699
I wonder if that was part of the grooming of your older daughter, almost.

01:10:10.939 --> 01:10:11.260
Yeah.

01:10:11.340 --> 01:10:18.539
That means you know, to see like this is how bad life can be, but you're my shining star.

01:10:18.939 --> 01:10:19.180
Right.

01:10:19.340 --> 01:10:21.500
You know, making her feel almost more important.

01:10:22.939 --> 01:10:23.340
Yeah.

01:10:23.579 --> 01:10:25.899
And and he doesn't have any other kids?

01:10:26.220 --> 01:10:26.539
No.

01:10:26.939 --> 01:10:27.260
Okay.

01:10:27.579 --> 01:10:30.140
Has he been married before or other times?

01:10:30.539 --> 01:10:30.859
Okay.

01:10:32.859 --> 01:10:36.060
I'm curious if there's any other stories about him out there.

01:10:36.220 --> 01:10:45.180
Usually, you know, I can't see one person getting to this point in their life and just becoming this level of abusive.

01:10:45.579 --> 01:10:47.260
Yeah, I and I did.

01:10:47.500 --> 01:10:53.020
So when things first happened, I kind of reached out to some of his ex-girlfriends.

01:10:53.100 --> 01:10:55.180
Like, did anything ever happen to you?

01:10:55.340 --> 01:10:58.380
Because I just feel kind of blindsided here.

01:10:58.619 --> 01:11:12.460
Um, and I hadn't like no one said anything, like no physical abuse, but one of his ex-girlfriends did say that they would fight a lot and that he would follow her.

01:11:12.619 --> 01:11:14.060
They could not stop a fight.

01:11:14.140 --> 01:11:15.899
He would follow her all around the house.

01:11:16.140 --> 01:11:22.619
So that was just, you know, I don't think, yeah, I don't think he just like started acting that way with me.

01:11:22.859 --> 01:11:23.739
I think, yeah.

01:11:24.060 --> 01:11:24.300
Yeah.

01:11:24.460 --> 01:11:29.340
No, this has been, yeah, maybe a lifetime in the making.

01:11:29.579 --> 01:11:33.020
And just uh, I mean, it always escalates, right?

01:11:33.180 --> 01:11:37.020
Like it just keeps getting worse and worse.

01:11:37.100 --> 01:11:42.380
And if it's not with the person they're currently with, it's going to get worse and worse for the next person.

01:11:43.100 --> 01:11:46.380
Um, thank you, first of all, for sharing that.

01:11:46.460 --> 01:11:52.539
I know that's difficult to talk about all of all of all of the story.

01:11:52.779 --> 01:12:00.300
Um he also takes advantage of the mental health program, you know?

01:12:00.539 --> 01:12:00.859
Yeah.

01:12:01.100 --> 01:12:03.659
That's just despicable, honestly.

01:12:04.699 --> 01:12:08.300
I mean, all of us, I mean, he's just a very despicable person, period.

01:12:08.460 --> 01:12:17.979
But yeah, that to also take advantage of knowing that he can play the system by making these certain claims.

01:12:18.300 --> 01:12:31.899
Um, I did, I wanted to, I took a couple notes that I could totally see moving fast with somebody that you dated in high school and that you've kept in in contact with.

01:12:31.979 --> 01:12:40.380
And it's like that almost like that nostalgia of remembering the the kid love, the innocent love, and just trying to go back to that.

01:12:40.460 --> 01:12:45.659
So I don't think that for me, I don't think that would have raised any red flags at all.

01:12:45.979 --> 01:12:52.539
Um, pregnancy is a big factor in what brings out abuse.

01:12:53.420 --> 01:12:53.899
Yeah.

01:12:54.060 --> 01:12:56.939
Yeah, I've seen a lot of statistics about that.

01:12:57.100 --> 01:12:59.899
A lot of people say it started when I got pregnant.

01:12:59.979 --> 01:13:09.260
And I always think it's something that happens, you know, it there is a pattern there, but it seems crazy to me.

01:13:09.340 --> 01:13:15.100
Like when when the woman you're supposed to love is pregnant is when you're gonna start treating her that way.

01:13:15.420 --> 01:13:17.659
Yeah, because it's I mean, it's part of you there.

01:13:17.819 --> 01:13:18.460
That's you.

01:13:18.619 --> 01:13:20.619
You guys did that together.

01:13:20.859 --> 01:13:21.500
Yeah.

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Because I mean, you look at I I watched the uh Lacey Peterson documentary on Netflix, and I think at the end of it, they shared some statistics about pregnancy and like the risk for homicide jumps up incredibly with pregnancy.

01:13:38.699 --> 01:13:39.340
Hmm.

01:13:39.899 --> 01:13:42.220
Well, I am I'm sorry you went through that.

01:13:42.300 --> 01:13:51.979
I'm very grateful that you're sharing this story, though, because I think it is I think there's going to be a lot of people who are listening to it saying, Oh yeah, that happened to me too.

01:13:52.300 --> 01:13:56.300
Yeah, well, thank you for giving me the opportunity to tell my story.

01:13:56.380 --> 01:13:57.819
I really appreciate that.

01:13:57.979 --> 01:14:13.340
I really that's why it's hard to talk about and it's hard to kind of bring up those feelings, but looking back at it and and hearing other people's stories and kind of matching up.

01:14:13.500 --> 01:14:14.859
Oh, that happened to me too.

01:14:15.020 --> 01:14:17.899
Oh, I didn't realize that was indicative of something.

01:14:18.060 --> 01:14:27.979
You know, I just think it's important for everyone to share their story if they're comfortable doing so, because it helps other people realize that they're not alone.

01:14:28.300 --> 01:14:29.020
Yeah, yeah.

01:14:29.180 --> 01:14:29.899
And it helps.

01:14:30.060 --> 01:14:37.659
I feel like anytime I've shared even just bits of my story, it's just a little bit of weight that I get to take off that I'm not carrying anymore.

01:14:37.739 --> 01:14:40.060
It's like I get to release it a little bit.

01:14:40.300 --> 01:14:44.939
Uh, is there anything that we missed or anything that you wanted to mention that we didn't cover?

01:14:45.579 --> 01:14:50.699
Um, I don't know.

01:14:51.819 --> 01:14:52.140
Okay.

01:14:52.939 --> 01:14:53.579
Sorry.

01:14:53.899 --> 01:14:55.100
That's fine.

01:14:56.859 --> 01:14:57.979
I don't think so.

01:14:58.140 --> 01:15:07.899
I was kind of trying to, I hope I didn't like I was trying to be kind of um, oh my gosh, I can't think of the word, like linear with the story.

01:15:07.979 --> 01:15:11.739
Um, but then that about things like, oh yeah, this happened.

01:15:11.899 --> 01:15:18.060
And like I almost forgot to mention how he treated my middle daughter, but that was really bad.

01:15:18.140 --> 01:15:26.060
And like I said, she did, she had a nervous tick, and I knew it was because of the way he was treating her, and I told him that, and he he denied that.

01:15:26.140 --> 01:15:30.779
But yeah, I kicked him out, and a couple months later, no more tick.

01:15:31.020 --> 01:15:33.100
And she seemed, you know, she hurt.

01:15:33.819 --> 01:15:39.659
She has some lasting, like she was being like like mentally beaten down all the time.

01:15:40.060 --> 01:15:51.899
So there are some lasting like confidence issues, but um she has improved a lot, and and she is um going to therapy now for that to work on that too.

01:15:52.140 --> 01:15:55.420
So it's a lot, yeah.

01:15:55.659 --> 01:16:03.979
Yeah, it's it's um it's kind of crazy how much psychological damage one person can do, you know?

01:16:04.380 --> 01:16:05.500
To so many people.

01:16:05.819 --> 01:16:07.020
Yeah, yep.

01:16:07.579 --> 01:16:08.539
Oh my gosh.

01:16:08.779 --> 01:16:16.539
Okay, so before we close, do you have any lasting words of wisdom or encouragement that you would like to leave with listeners?

01:16:16.859 --> 01:16:26.380
Um, I think the one thing it that I want people to realize is not just that you're not alone, but also it's not your fault.

01:16:26.619 --> 01:16:38.380
A lot of people think that it's their fault, or if they don't ask for help right away, then it's their fault from like from that point going forward because they had the opportunity to ask for help.

01:16:38.699 --> 01:16:50.060
And first of all, abusers know that people who are there abusing feel shame and they kind of play on that.

01:16:50.220 --> 01:16:55.500
They they want you to feel that shame because they know that then you're gonna keep the secret.

01:16:55.899 --> 01:17:03.340
So just realizing that it's not your fault and it's okay if you didn't ask for help right away.

01:17:03.420 --> 01:17:06.460
That doesn't mean that you don't get to ask for help ever.

01:17:07.659 --> 01:17:08.859
No, absolutely.

01:17:09.100 --> 01:17:10.619
Well, thank you so much, Becca.

01:17:10.779 --> 01:17:13.020
I really, really, really appreciate you coming on.

01:17:13.340 --> 01:17:13.899
Thank you.

01:17:14.060 --> 01:17:15.180
Thank you for having me.

01:17:15.500 --> 01:17:20.220
Thank you again, Becca, for joining me today, and thank you, Warriors, for listening.

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