March 10, 2026

111-What Happens When an Abuser Posts Bail? Domestic Violence Bail Explained with David Stuckman

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Season 4

Reporting an abuser is already difficult. For many survivors, the next terrifying question is: What happens if the abuser posts bail?

In this episode of 1 in 3, Ingrid speaks with David Stuckman, President of the Professional Bail Agents of the United States, who brings more than 35 years of experience in the bail industry—from bounty hunting to leading a national network of bail professionals.

Together we break down how the bail system actually works in domestic violence cases and what protections may be available for survivors.

You’ll learn:

• What happens after someone is arrested and posts bail
• The step-by-step bail bond process, including premiums and collateral
• How bail agents evaluate risk, family input, and criminal history
• Why many bail agents require no-contact orders, treatment, and employment conditions
• When a bail bondsman may refuse to write a bond
• The difference between algorithmic pretrial release and human judgment
• How GPS ankle monitors can alert survivors instantly if an offender gets too close
• Why prior strangulation dramatically increases homicide risk

David also shares real-world stories about refusing dangerous bonds, working with judges to place defendants into rehab, and enforcing strict bail conditions to protect communities.

For survivors and advocates, we discuss practical steps including:

• Victim notification systems
• Requesting stronger protective conditions
• Documenting violations
• Understanding your options when someone is released pretrial

This conversation sheds light on a system many people fear—but few understand.

If you’re a survivor, advocate, or simply want to understand how bail and victim safety intersect, this episode will give you clarity.

David’s Links:

https://www.1in3podcast.com/guests/david-stuckman-2/

https://www.pbus.com/

https://www.youtube.com/@BailInTheMidwest

1 in 3 is intended for mature audiences. Episodes contain explicit content and may be triggering to some.

Support the show

If you are in the United States and need help right now, call the national domestic violence hotline at 800-799-7233 or text the word “start” to 88788.

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Thank you for listening!

Cover art by Laura Swift Dahlke
Music by Tim Crowe

00:00 - Opening And The Big Bail Question

01:02 - Meet David Stuckman And His Background

02:49 - How Bail Works And Bondsmen’s Role

05:29 - High Bonds Collateral And Family Leverage

07:48 - Preparing Defendants And Prison Realities

09:18 - Who Calls First And Scam Warnings

10:58 - From Bounty Hunter To Bondsman

12:00 - Training Licensing And CE For Bondsmen

13:21 - Domestic Violence Cases Extra Caution

15:58 - Prior Offenses Conditions And Support

18:48 - Victim Notification And Release Timing

20:27 - Talking With Victims Boundaries And Referrals

22:28 - Intimidation Of Witness Explained

24:08 - Pretrial Release Versus Bail Human Judgment

26:27 - When Bondsmen Say No

28:38 - Turning First Timers Around

31:28 - Types Of Bonds And Felony Flags

33:25 - Treatment Conditions And Out‑Of‑State Placements

35:25 - Military Stress And VA Programs

37:01 - Laws That Work And GPS Proximity Alerts

39:30 - Spreading Best Practices Across States

41:33 - Conflict Resolution Training For Agents

45:33 - Listening First Helping Friends Safely

48:28 - Proactive Tools And Victim Autonomy

50:21 - Resources Podcasts And PBUS

51:45 - Final Safety Warning About Strangulation

52:57 - Closing And Calls To Connect

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Hi, Warriors.

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Welcome to One in Three.

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I'm your host, Ingrid.

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Reporting your abuser to the police is incredibly intimidating for so many reasons.

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And one of the biggest questions survivors have is what if they post bail?

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Today we're diving into that question and talking about what bail agents across the country are putting in place to help protect victims.

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Joining me today is the president of the Professional Bail Agents of the United States, David Stuckman.

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Hi, David.

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Welcome to One and Three.

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Thank you so much for joining me today.

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Well, thank you.

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I'm glad to be here.

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I am glad to have you here.

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And before we get talking about all of the exciting stuff we have, could you just let us know a little bit about yourself?

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David Banks.

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Well, I'm the president of the professional bail agency in the United States.

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I represent probably around anywhere from 10 to 15,000 bondsmen and uh nationwide.

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I've been a bondsman for uh over uh 35 years.

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And before I was a bondsman, I was a bounty hunter.

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And before that, I was an insurance investigator.

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And I live in Manhattan, Kansas, go K-State Wildcats.

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And uh I am a father of two lovely children.

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One is a uh pharmacist here in Manhattan in my hometown, and the other one is a uh psychologist in uh uh Greeley, Colorado.

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She works she's in a rehab center working with people uh with their addictions and working that out.

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Wow, that's tough work.

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Yep, yeah, that's that's tough for her.

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And she has two beautiful grandchildren that I don't get to see enough.

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Yeah, isn't that the story?

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That's what my parents always say too.

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Okay, so I think a lot of people are probably uh aware of what a bondsman or bail agent is, but just to make sure everybody knows exactly what we're talking about.

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Do you mind just letting us all know exactly what you do?

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Okay.

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Well, when a when a person uh has made a bad choice and uh and gets arrested, um then uh he has the option to post bond.

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Um and the bail bond is set by the judge.

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He sets the bond.

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But you can post the bond yourself in cash, your family and friends get the money together and come and bond you out.

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But sometimes it's uh very high and cost prohibitive.

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So then the bondsman can be called and and and uh help them get them out.

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It's usually a 10% fee, and that's non-refundable.

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Where if they put up all the cash themselves, eventually they get all that money back.

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When you use a bondsman, it's a 10% fee.

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It's uh it's an insurance premium, is what it is.

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Once you uh have uh post that bond, that money's not refundable.

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And then if you don't show up in court, the bondsman has to come and arrest them.

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But we try to help everybody um uh uh get back on track.

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The goal of the bondsman is to get people out and try to get them to where they uh uh will um re readjust in life.

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I don't I don't know how to explain it.

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I always tell them this you know, society knows we all make mistakes.

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We've all made mistakes, and all society wants us to do is to to pay for our mistakes, make sure we do that.

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And that's our job is to help them do that.

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And sometimes we we have I have a partnership with one brother and one sister, which helps us place people in rehab centers for addictions or whatever.

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And and because we are all take these classes at PBUS, uh we're HIPAA-approved.

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So we can communicate with the rehab centers and tell the judges, because usually what happens is we bond them out right there and we check them into the centers right away.

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Then I have to go, we have to go to the court and tell the judge, Your Honor, we bonded him out, yes we did, but we put him in a rehab center.

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We're trying to get him um uh some help.

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And and then the judge says, Okay, well, when do you think he'll be out?

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And I says, Well, I'm it will be in communication with the center and I'll give you an update.

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And when he gets out, we'll get him into court.

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And and that really helps the individual because it shows that he regrets what he did.

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He's trying to get himself back on or herself back on track, and it really helps him when it comes time for sentencing when they're get a diversion or when they're adjudicated in any way.

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Is there a maximum amount of bail that you can't get involved in, or can you go you guys can get involved anytime?

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Well, let's say it's a million-dollar bond, because that would sound like maximum.

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We've posted a few of those million-dollar bonds.

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But when we do that, we have to have collateral from the family.

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And that's usually a you know, like a farm or a you know, a million-dollar house in equity.

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And we have to provide proof that we've done that so the court knows that we have it collateralized.

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And if if something does go wrong, we screw up, then we literally have to pay the million out of our pocket, and not very many bondsmen can do that.

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So we're very, very um uh um, we want to make sure everything is perfect on that to make sure we have the mortgage.

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And that's the leverage.

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Because when the when the son or the and it's usually the parents that put up that kind of property, but when the son or the daughter know that their family's gonna lose their house, they're gonna obligate.

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They may have to go to prison.

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When a million-dollar bond's involved, there's the usually that individual has to go to prison.

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And so that that helps that because the family does not have to put up that collateral and he stays in jail.

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But yeah, we've we've posted him, and we have to go to the court and talk to the judge and say, we're gonna post this bond, and this is what we have.

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And the judge lots of times wanna say, Well, I want to talk to the family and make sure they understand as well as they should.

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And and and that's so it takes a little bit more time to get a big bond like that.

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And usually there's a death involved, a tragic fatality or something like that.

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Uh, the last one I did is the the guy was uh had fentanyl and distributed it.

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Um I don't know that he was sold it or whatever, and somebody died.

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And he he ended up going to prison for I don't know, it was 280 months.

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But the family realizing he was going to do that wanted to spend the last eight or nine months with him and be emotionally supportive of him.

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And then when that happened, truthfully, what that happened there is then when he knew he was going to prison, we helped him prepare for prison.

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We I went in and uh, this was my bond, by the way.

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I went in, I talked with him, and I said, okay, when you get there, these are some of the steps, and I want you to meet.

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And I introduced him to an individual that had just gotten out of prison to give him the ins and outs of prisons, what to do and what not to do.

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And we're not going to get into that here, but but one of the things is is you can have an iPod or an iPad and communicate with your family while you're in prison.

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And that just really made it easier for him to, well, as long as I can be in communication uh with my family, I think I can survive this.

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And well, and and I didn't have no choice because he was going to go.

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But there was other things, the do's and don'ts, and uh, I don't think that's prudent to this.

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I don't want to get into that.

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It's too gory.

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Okay.

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And then do they offend oh I guess alleged, because they're not convicted of anything, right?

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So do they find you or do you find them?

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Well, the the what what everybody doesn't understand when they talk about the bail bond business is 90% of the money and the people and everything, it comes from the outside.

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We'll get a phone call from the individual lots of times, and I'll say, okay, I need to talk to your family, your friends, or whoever is going to be held accountable for this, but I need you to call them first.

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Or I'm gonna tell them to call the jail to verify you're in here.

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Because there's so many scams out there right now where they'll say they're bondsmen and this and that.

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And I am we're really doing a campaign right now as we speak with the PR team to notify the public of the so they know how it works.

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But we would like for the defendant to call the family and say, I'm in jail, at least tell them that so that they know.

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And these are small bonds, let's say it's just a DUI or whatever.

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But then I will call the family, or the family will call me.

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I would prefer them to call me because I feel that's what they have the choice of any bondsman.

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There's lots of bondsmen in in my hometown right here.

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So they can pick and choose whoever they want.

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And then they call and then we make the arrangements.

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But but I would say 90% of the time the family puts up the money.

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Very seldom does the actual person in jail put up his own money.

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Um he can pay them back when he gets out, but we want the money and everything, and all our paperwork's fine before he walks out of jail.

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Okay, and then so you were a bounty hunter, you said before.

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So is that what led you to want to do this?

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Well, I was a private investigator and I did investigations and the the the uh and I did it for insurance companies, but as the investigator, he also had a bonding company and he needed a bounty hunter, so I said, Look, you're gonna make more money as a bounty hunter than you will as his PI.

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And he was right.

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And then I just I just said, No, I want to be a bondsman, I want to help people.

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I'm you know, I I don't mind chasing people and catching the bad guys, but I I would get more gratification helping people out at the start and make sure I don't have to chase that many people.

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Let's make sure that they show up in court and do that.

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So that's that's how that evolved.

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Just so everyone knows, what goes into training to become a bondsman or what kind of education do you get?

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You do an apprenticeship.

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You go through and you work with a bondsman and useless clerical and you learn the the the ropes.

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You have to get in in the state of Kansas, you have to take continuing education.

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Uh uh, it's an eight-hour course every um every year, but every state is different.

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Now that those are state regulations.

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And you have to, I mean, I have to have a maintaining insurance license.

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It's uh it's a specific bail bond license through the insurance commissioner.

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And you would have to do that.

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You'd have to get your license, then you have to get the continuing education, and um, and then usually your your general agent, which that's what I am, will help you work through the the the cracks of the problems and everything and and train you in.

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And it usually takes, before I really think a bondsman really feels like they know what they're doing, it takes about a year.

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Okay, to really feel like you're and then of course they could go work on their own if they want and stuff.

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But yeah.

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Well, so this is a domestic violence podcast.

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So of course, a lot of people who are listening are either victims, survivors, or family members or friends of somebody who is a victim or survivor.

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So when it comes to domestic violence, is are there any specific precautions that you guys take?

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Well, yes, yes.

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And and and uh each state is different uh when you talk about state laws.

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But when I've got a domestic violence, it really is a little different can of worms because you've got a victim.

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And the first thing we do is that's when we really want to talk to the family, as we said it before.

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We want to hear what they think.

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And uh there's a lot of times when I call the family and I say, well, um, you know, uh he's in jail, he wants to get out, and he said you'll sign for him.

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And I'm talking mother, father, brother, whatever.

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Oh no, no, let's this is not a good idea.

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He's he he can be dangerous, and I don't think uh his wife would be safe and feel safe.

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There's no contact, but that's a piece of paper.

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Then when I hear that, I think, okay, well, obviously we're not gonna write the bond.

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And and I think that's where you're alluding to.

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And I say, well, okay, I can tell him that, but let's uh probably I should say that you guys don't qualify as cosigners or whatever, because I'm sure you don't want him to know that you're refusing to bond him out because you're gonna be, you got to deal with this individual the rest of your life.

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And he's gonna hold this against you.

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You wouldn't get me out of jail.

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And they said, Oh, thank you.

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They and well, sometimes they say, please don't tell him we did that.

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So the bondsman has to take the bullet on that, or he has to take the blame and everything.

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We just we we tell him no, you don't qualify, or you're gonna need to go directly into rehab if it works out that way.

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And then, because if I call the victim, she's not gonna, or I'm assuming it's a wife, let's say, she's not wanting him out.

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But usually when I'm talking to the defendant before I even call the family, I'm gonna say, Are you gonna get a divorce because of this?

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Oh no, I'm not gonna do it.

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I can tell by his attitude, usually, this guy is a control freak.

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This is probably a bad relationship.

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And there is gonna be a divorce, he just doesn't know it.

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And um, so there's a lot of things that play into it.

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And we have to, we're we're human.

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We we listen.

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I'm a victim of of family violence when I was a kid.

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So I I'm very, very um um emotional about it and and empathetic and and uh and everything about the situation when I talk to people, me personally.

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So like the judge is supposed to take into consideration uh previous offenses and things like that before they are determining whether this person qualifies for bond or not.

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Is that anything that you look into as well?

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Or do you just kind of go from this the judge says that this is an okay thing?

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Yeah, they they have what they call a schedule, a bond schedule.

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And if it's the first time he's ever been arrested, it's not that really of a big bond.

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And usually when it is that way, that's when I find out look, is this a one-time deal?

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Is was there stress at home?

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Did he lose his job?

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Did uh what are we fighting over money at matters?

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And if it's something like that, then they can get into help.

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They can they don't necessarily need to get in treatment, maybe they need to just get into a uh uh go see their preacher, go see their pastor, go uh anybody and talk through this and figure out how to get through the the tough time there.

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Um but if they've been arrested three or four times, then yeah, the judge does uh take that in consideration.

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And that's when we really we pay attention to because we sure don't want any more problems, any more anybody hurt.

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You know, you got children involved lots of times.

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There's a just a it's just a landmine, and the bondsman really has to pay attention to try to do the right thing.

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And uh when we do post a bond, there's a lot there's only two people that can put conditions on a bond.

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The judge can put a condition, this and that, and so can a bondsman.

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And the bondsman can put a condition on their mom and dad said, Well, I'll bond him out if he promises to stay away from these people.

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Okay, that's a condition on the bond.

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If he is, we'll arrest him and put him back in jail, and I'll make sure he understands that.

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Uh, or he stays out of the bars or he can't drink.

00:15:37.740 --> 00:15:39.340
Well, yeah, we can make that a condition.

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Uh lots of times the judges do that, but we can reiterate that condition.

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Or he's got to get a job.

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He's got to go find a job, okay?

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You know, if he's totally depressed and can't find a job, what are we gonna do about that?

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As long as he's looking, uh, we'll be there for emotional support and try to help him find a job and and things like that.

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That's what we can do in that circumstance there.

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Uh the judges don't they they just set a bond.

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They they they can't be, they have to be impartial.

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Because they've heard what the the prosecutor is pro and forth of them.

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Well, they did this and this and this.

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And then if the person has an attorney, he's gonna say, well, this is an exaggeration, and the judge does that.

00:16:20.460 --> 00:16:24.379
But he can't really talk to the individual like the bondsman can.

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I can sit there, go to the jail, sit in the cell with him right there and say, okay, let's talk about let's work this out.

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How are you gonna fix this?

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How are you gonna make sure this doesn't happen again?

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And and you lots of times they're really remorseful.

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Well, they're really remorseful when they're in jail because all they're thinking about is I just want out of here.

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The other thing you got to take into consideration when you're putting this bond is he's gonna lose his job.

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Because that is how the family survives is off his job.

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If he loses his job, now stress has even got more intense because now so lots of times we bond him out just to save his job.

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If he gets arrested on a, you know.

00:17:01.100 --> 00:17:07.099
The funny thing about domestic violence that I I don't really have the stats in front of me.

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One of the times that is really a peak season is the Sunday after Thanksgiving.

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There is a lot of domestic, there's usually I'll say the Sunday after like a three-day weekend or something like that.

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But Thanksgiving seems to be the most stressful because the family gets together, and by the time Sunday, their their nerves are stretched as far as you know, you know what I mean?

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And they just they just snap, and then there's a fight, and then this and that.

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But that is one of the peaks, and the same thing as the Sunday after Christmas, too.

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That's another stressful time and stuff, because it's that time, and a lot of alcohol is consumed and stuff like that.

00:17:48.859 --> 00:17:53.180
Uh, a lot of times uh I will hear he's just a mean drunk.

00:17:53.259 --> 00:17:54.859
Well, then he should quit drinking.

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Anyone that's been called a mean drunk, he needs to he or she needs to realize that it's probably time to give up drinking.

00:18:04.299 --> 00:18:12.539
And uh my my stepdad beat me when I was a kid and he was a mean drunk, but nobody intervened back in I'm telling you my age.

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I was in the 60s when when I was a kid, and and my mom married a man and he was very uh violent.

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She was my mom, and as well to me.

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I used to take beatings for my little sister because um I that was just the big brother thing to do.

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She was three years younger than me, and she'd screw up and I'd say, No, I did that.

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And and I'd get, you know, I'd I'd get whippings all the time.

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And it was with uh his his preference was a belt.

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He'd use the belt.

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And I used to I used to hate that.

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But uh and and he beat my mom too.

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I mean, it was terrible.

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We ran and hid from him several times, but back then we didn't have the help that we have available today.

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There was no intervention people.

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Um when when there's domestic violence in most states, there is a group of people they can call and and get help.

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And lots of times the police will have the victim send, or they'll send somebody to the victim and say, You want to talk about this?

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Here's your rights, here's what you can do.

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I'm sure you know about all that, Andrew, with your podcast, but those are those people are important.

00:19:16.460 --> 00:19:24.380
And and um in in most states, the person cannot get out of jail until the victim is notified.

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Okay.

00:19:25.660 --> 00:19:31.900
Yeah, that that that that is the probably one of the best things to have available.

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Um and there's lots of times when when uh the indemnitors and the people are at the jail with me and we're trying to bond them out.

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What's taking so long?

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What's taking so long?

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And I'd usually say, Well, they're probably trying to notify the victim, and she may not want to take the phone call.

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So then lots of times they'll just send an officer over and say, Now we want you to know he's getting out of jail.

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And uh so they're aware of it.

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And uh that's a good, that's a good, that's a good law to have never.

00:19:59.339 --> 00:19:59.500
Yeah.

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Do you know how much time uh or does that vary per case?

00:20:05.019 --> 00:20:05.900
It does vary.

00:20:06.059 --> 00:20:06.380
Okay.

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Uh if I've got a person that got arrested on Sunday night and everybody says, well, he needs to be at work, he's on probation as it is.

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If he misses work, he's gonna lose his job.

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So then we try to hustle around and do it and and and uh and and we can do it.

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I mean, the jail's open 24-7, so we can bond him out, but there's lots of times I don't get him out until like sometimes just barely before you can just change clothes and go to work.

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In the instance of domestic violence, do you do you personally or do you just in general as as bondsman, does anyone try to give any additional support information to victims, or does law enforcement, for instance, if a police officer goes to notify that their offender is being released, do they offer you?

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We talk to the victim.

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It's usually fact-finding and make sure, okay, is this gonna be we want to make sure we got all the parameters, we got all these conditions and everything.

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We want to make sure we do that right.

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And and if they ask, well, where can uh where can I go?

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Can I go to a homeless shelter, this and that?

00:21:09.180 --> 00:21:10.779
Well, he's not allowed around your house.

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And they says, I don't trust that.

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Then okay, well, we'll we'll put up some more things.

00:21:15.019 --> 00:21:18.859
But we'll talk like that, but we can't really tell the victim what to do.

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That we're here for the bond to bond the person out.

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Our job is to make sure he stays away from her and and he follows the rules and the conditions.

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But if the the what'll happen is, you know, what'll happen is the victim will come back.

00:21:36.220 --> 00:21:37.180
Well, it's my fault.

00:21:37.339 --> 00:21:38.700
No, it's not your fault.

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If somebody hits a woman, I don't care.

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It's always the person that swung.

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He did not have to do that.

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There's other things, even verbal abuse can be ugly, you know.

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So it's not their fault.

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And that's the first thing I'll say.

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Okay, I'm not gonna get into this very, but you need to talk to somebody.

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And I usually tell them, do you go to church?

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Yep, call your preacher.

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And and uh that they don't cost anything, they're there to help you.

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If you don't have a church, go down the street and find a church, walk into church and tell you you want to talk to somebody.

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Every uh if you're if you're Catholic, they're not gonna turn an individual that's Jewish away.

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They're gonna get the help.

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And trust me, all you know, every every Baptist pastor knows every method of.

00:22:23.740 --> 00:22:28.619
Minister and every Methodist minister knows every Catholic priest and every Catholic priest knows every rabbi.

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They all know each other and they'll communicate and they'll get them help that way.

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So there is a lot of help because they may not want to bring in the family and they don't want their friends to know.

00:22:39.099 --> 00:22:42.700
But there is people out there that they can reach out to that that won't cost anything.

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Now, if they have the capability of getting to a psychologist and getting some therapy, and well, that's that's great too.

00:22:49.099 --> 00:22:53.660
But yeah, don't I I I can't urge enough that there is help out there.

00:22:53.819 --> 00:22:57.900
And the police will provide help and they'll give a list of numbers too.

00:22:58.220 --> 00:23:00.380
Um I I have that list.

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I don't give it out.

00:23:01.660 --> 00:23:03.740
I don't want to, that's the police's job.

00:23:03.819 --> 00:23:04.940
I don't want to say it like that.

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But what I'm saying is I'll let them do their and I'll stay in my lane and take care of the defendant and they'll get her help.

00:23:11.980 --> 00:23:17.180
And uh usually they want to talk to her anyway because they want to make sure that that person does feel safe.

00:23:17.339 --> 00:23:23.339
And I have had a lot of times when the police come to me and says, This gal is really nervous or really giddy.

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She may leave town.

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And then, of course, the police I said, Well, okay, you know, I can't stop that.

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And he says, You don't understand, if she leaves town, we've lost our witness.

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And I go, Well, then you you do your job and I'll do mine.

00:23:36.779 --> 00:23:39.099
You know, I'm gonna make sure he shows up in court.

00:23:39.339 --> 00:23:41.980
So you need to make sure that she has someone she can talk to.

00:23:42.140 --> 00:23:45.660
I've had that happen last three or four times the last year.

00:23:45.900 --> 00:23:51.900
And they did lose the case because she she moved back with her mom and never come back to the state of Kansas.

00:23:52.299 --> 00:23:59.579
Yeah, and I will say it's uh that's a lot of pressure to put on a victim to actually go back to court and face the person that's been abusing them.

00:23:59.740 --> 00:24:11.819
And a lot of times uh victims do end up uh withdrawing their or um their you know, you know what I'm trying to say, or even not showing up.

00:24:11.900 --> 00:24:16.380
Yeah, as a bondsman, I will tell them that's intimidation of a witness.

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You can't do that.

00:24:17.259 --> 00:24:19.420
And they said, Well, I'm no, do you don't understand?

00:24:19.579 --> 00:24:24.700
Intimidation of witness can be please, please don't don't do this.

00:24:24.779 --> 00:24:27.420
Because I I'll go, I'll get a record, I'll do this.

00:24:27.500 --> 00:24:29.099
Please don't do this to me, please.

00:24:29.259 --> 00:24:30.700
That's still intimidation.

00:24:30.859 --> 00:24:33.660
I don't care how hard they beg, they're still trying.

00:24:33.819 --> 00:24:39.259
And and and I tell them, you do that, you're you're that's that's intimidation of a witness, and you'll get arrested again.

00:24:39.579 --> 00:24:44.700
And they okay, because they that was the thought that they were going through their mind.

00:24:45.259 --> 00:24:52.059
And I said, Yeah, and don't email them, don't email their friends, don't do anything like that, because the police will track that and they'll put you in jail.

00:24:52.220 --> 00:24:56.539
I don't have the capability of doing that, but the police do, and they're gonna protect the victim.

00:24:56.619 --> 00:24:57.819
That's their job.

00:24:58.140 --> 00:25:04.140
My job is to make sure that you show up in court and make sure you don't cause anybody else harm.

00:25:04.380 --> 00:25:09.180
And um and then it it the system works when it worked like that.

00:25:09.339 --> 00:25:15.660
Now, there's a lot of people out there promoting pretrial release, and they shouldn't have to post a bond they're innocent until guilty.

00:25:15.819 --> 00:25:19.339
But all they do, that's just algorithms, it's just numbers.

00:25:19.500 --> 00:25:22.940
They don't really, they don't do the research, they don't find out.

00:25:23.180 --> 00:25:30.299
If you talk to a pretrial release person, say, well, this guy was arrested for domestic battery, did you know that he had lost his job?

00:25:30.539 --> 00:25:30.859
No.

00:25:31.180 --> 00:25:35.099
Did you know that he has beaten a scalp two or three times before?

00:25:35.339 --> 00:25:35.660
No.

00:25:35.980 --> 00:25:36.539
Why not?

00:25:36.700 --> 00:25:37.579
Didn't talk to anybody.

00:25:37.740 --> 00:25:38.299
They don't know.

00:25:38.460 --> 00:25:39.660
That's just numbers.

00:25:39.980 --> 00:25:45.259
They just uh and and and it and and the the defendant is not the victim.

00:25:45.740 --> 00:25:50.539
Like I said, if he's hit a woman, he he's he's not a victim.

00:25:50.779 --> 00:25:55.420
He needs he's broken and he needs to be fixed, but he's not a victim.

00:25:55.500 --> 00:26:01.500
And and that that probably upsets me more when I hear people promoting the you're innocent until proven guilty.

00:26:02.140 --> 00:26:08.940
You know, when people get arrested, they may not be guilty of aggravated battery or whatever, but they're guilty of something.

00:26:09.099 --> 00:26:12.059
The police just don't arrest people just for the fun of it.

00:26:12.460 --> 00:26:16.059
Now, you'll hear another thing that's been said lots of times.

00:26:16.220 --> 00:26:19.339
When the police are called, somebody's going to jail.

00:26:19.579 --> 00:26:27.900
Well, that is a that is something I've heard here more frequently lately, is the police says, Well, if we're called, we're gonna take somebody to jail.

00:26:28.059 --> 00:26:32.859
Now, when I hear that, then maybe they were arguing and the neighbor said something.

00:26:33.019 --> 00:26:35.420
Well, then they should investigate that thing.

00:26:35.579 --> 00:26:36.220
Did you hit her?

00:26:36.299 --> 00:26:37.099
No, did he hit you?

00:26:37.259 --> 00:26:38.140
No, did you no?

00:26:38.220 --> 00:26:38.539
No.

00:26:38.779 --> 00:26:39.579
We just argue.

00:26:39.740 --> 00:26:45.980
We're the last one I had is it was a well, and and I'm not trying to put a culture in there.

00:26:46.059 --> 00:26:47.660
And they said, We're hot-blooded Italians.

00:26:47.819 --> 00:26:50.299
We this is the way we work things out, is we argue.

00:26:50.460 --> 00:26:57.099
And I go, Well, is he ever hit, you know, then if he's never hit you, then he said, No, it's our nosy neighbors.

00:26:57.259 --> 00:27:04.220
But the deal is it was really interesting talking to him, and she and I could tell she she would irritate me the way she talked to her.

00:27:04.539 --> 00:27:11.259
Whoa, man, they that then they said that's the way of that's the way uh Italians are, that's how we settle our differences.

00:27:11.339 --> 00:27:12.380
I'm okay.

00:27:12.539 --> 00:27:18.059
Uh, but anyway, the neighbors called, he got arrested, and we promptly bonded him out.

00:27:18.299 --> 00:27:20.940
No contact with the victim, you know, and stuff.

00:27:21.019 --> 00:27:28.859
And he went and stayed with his brother, and and uh, but I saw them um later on, and that's when they said that, you know, that's how we work things out.

00:27:29.019 --> 00:27:31.980
But the judge didn't, he didn't, he didn't know, you know.

00:27:32.140 --> 00:27:34.299
And I think the guy got a diversion.

00:27:34.619 --> 00:27:37.099
I don't remember what happened to that particular case.

00:27:37.339 --> 00:27:39.980
But yeah, that that somebody's going to jail.

00:27:40.059 --> 00:27:45.900
Um they need to really I I'm I would be okay with advocating a different situation there.

00:27:45.980 --> 00:27:54.700
Now, now the in the old days, in the old days, the reason they did that is the police would be called, they'd come there and he said, if I have to come back here, I'm gonna arrest somebody.

00:27:54.859 --> 00:28:02.460
And what happened in a few states, and I think it even happened in Kansas, they didn't get the call to come back to break it up.

00:28:02.539 --> 00:28:05.420
They come back because the wife was dead.

00:28:05.660 --> 00:28:06.779
He killed her.

00:28:07.099 --> 00:28:12.940
So that promoted the idea, we've got to, we've got to take further actions.

00:28:13.180 --> 00:28:16.140
And that happened back in the, I think it was in the 90s.

00:28:16.220 --> 00:28:22.779
The the one here in Kansas, I remember, wasn't here, but I remember when it happened, I was like, oh yeah, I could see that happening too.

00:28:23.019 --> 00:28:24.380
But that was a one-time deal.

00:28:24.460 --> 00:28:34.940
But yeah, I think I think that could be tweaked, but I'm I'm all for protecting the the the uh victim and giving the defendant help.

00:28:35.259 --> 00:28:36.619
And everybody's videos.

00:28:37.180 --> 00:28:40.859
Well, and there's there are so there are a few things that I wanted to touch on that you mentioned.

00:28:41.019 --> 00:28:46.940
One is offenders will always some somehow make it a way that they are a victim in the situation.

00:28:47.019 --> 00:28:53.660
Like, oh, I wouldn't have done that if she, he or she hadn't done this first, or if they didn't make me think this way.

00:28:53.900 --> 00:29:01.819
But I also wanted to say that I appreciate that you recognize intimidation can be, I promise I won't do it again.

00:29:01.980 --> 00:29:07.259
We need to make this work out, you know, we let's stick together for the family, all of those excuses.

00:29:07.660 --> 00:29:16.220
Those are forms of intimidation, and those are some of the reasons why victims will drop their charges against their defenders.

00:29:17.019 --> 00:29:17.660
They've been convinced.

00:29:17.900 --> 00:29:18.140
Yes.

00:29:19.420 --> 00:29:21.740
No, and and and I can't emphasize that enough.

00:29:21.819 --> 00:29:31.099
I hope you're you know, the thing of it is with violent people, I would say every there's a lot of people say, well, we don't have anything like that.

00:29:31.259 --> 00:29:37.980
Yeah, there's somebody in the family, there's a black sheep in the family, there's somebody that they'll say you don't want to be around him when he's been drinking.

00:29:38.140 --> 00:29:40.140
And then it's usually alcohol is what I'll say.

00:29:40.220 --> 00:29:46.220
And then then I say, okay, well, that's the person that's gonna be the one that we're gonna be bought in out of jail someday.

00:29:46.380 --> 00:29:47.660
And and stuff.

00:29:47.819 --> 00:29:52.380
And and and then, well, when I tell him he shouldn't drink, I'm using an example.

00:29:52.539 --> 00:29:55.099
When I tell him he shouldn't drink, that's start, that's a trigger.

00:29:55.259 --> 00:29:55.900
That's a trigger.

00:29:56.059 --> 00:29:58.299
Now we're or whatever, because now he's mad.

00:29:58.380 --> 00:29:59.740
You're telling me what to do, this and that.

00:29:59.819 --> 00:30:00.859
Don't tell me what to do.

00:30:01.019 --> 00:30:02.700
And then there goes the violence.

00:30:02.859 --> 00:30:04.539
And she didn't do anything wrong.

00:30:04.619 --> 00:30:08.460
She's trying to help him, she's trying to get him, you know, please don't drink, whatever.

00:30:08.619 --> 00:30:09.740
And it's not her fault.

00:30:09.900 --> 00:30:16.140
I want to make sure that every victim that is watching and listening to your show, they understand it's not their fault.

00:30:16.779 --> 00:30:20.940
Yeah, and I I try to emphasize that almost every episode.

00:30:21.099 --> 00:30:23.980
I wanted to go back and talk about bail for a second.

00:30:24.220 --> 00:30:37.900
If you, when you're spending time with the offender, and then if you do have the opportunity to speak with a victim or even the victim's family, do you ever come upon the conclusion of that maybe this person shouldn't get out at all?

00:30:38.059 --> 00:30:44.859
And are you able to talk to the judge about are they ever able to revoke that once it's been ruled?

00:30:45.019 --> 00:30:49.819
Or how do how would that work if you always got the right to post a bond?

00:30:49.980 --> 00:30:54.059
But when the family won't help, I'm not gonna bond a person a stranger out.

00:30:54.140 --> 00:30:55.180
Okay, I'm not gonna do that.

00:30:55.259 --> 00:30:59.099
I'm gonna have to have some uh uh cra character references.

00:30:59.180 --> 00:31:00.220
And I'll tell them that.

00:31:00.539 --> 00:31:07.660
Because and then you you learn to word these questions when you're talking to the defendant to where he can't get out.

00:31:07.819 --> 00:31:08.619
Let me give you an example.

00:31:08.779 --> 00:31:11.420
I'll say, well, okay, you're gonna how long you lived here?

00:31:11.500 --> 00:31:12.460
I've lived here all my life.

00:31:12.619 --> 00:31:13.339
Okay, all right.

00:31:13.579 --> 00:31:14.700
Where's your mom and dad?

00:31:14.779 --> 00:31:15.819
Um, they're not around.

00:31:16.059 --> 00:31:16.859
Well, where are they?

00:31:17.099 --> 00:31:18.299
They're uh I don't know where they are.

00:31:18.940 --> 00:31:19.180
Okay.

00:31:19.500 --> 00:31:20.299
That's a flag.

00:31:20.460 --> 00:31:21.180
That's a flag.

00:31:21.420 --> 00:31:25.900
Okay, well, give me a list of three or four of your friends that I can talk to as characteristics.

00:31:26.059 --> 00:31:27.180
Well, I don't know anybody.

00:31:27.420 --> 00:31:29.900
You've lived in this town all your life.

00:31:30.140 --> 00:31:30.940
See where I'm going.

00:31:31.099 --> 00:31:34.059
I've I've already made sure I paved my road.

00:31:34.220 --> 00:31:36.380
You've lived here all your life and you don't have any friends.

00:31:36.539 --> 00:31:39.579
Well, I don't want to be your friend then, because I don't even know you.

00:31:39.660 --> 00:31:41.579
And you're trying to get me to be your friend and bond you out.

00:31:41.819 --> 00:31:42.940
No, I'll pass.

00:31:43.099 --> 00:31:45.740
And that bondsmen always have the right to pass.

00:31:45.900 --> 00:31:47.339
You know, well, I got the money.

00:31:47.420 --> 00:31:50.299
Well, I don't want that's not that's not it.

00:31:50.539 --> 00:31:51.819
Because I got to sleep at night.

00:31:51.900 --> 00:31:57.339
And if I find out I bonded you out and you go and beat your wife again, I'm not gonna sleep very good, and I'm gonna be worried that you're gonna do that.

00:31:57.420 --> 00:31:58.460
So, no, I don't think so.

00:31:58.539 --> 00:31:59.339
I'll pass.

00:31:59.579 --> 00:32:01.660
And then they're upset at the bondsman.

00:32:01.740 --> 00:32:04.940
And then lots of times, all bondsmen know each other.

00:32:05.019 --> 00:32:09.900
I'll put out an email, or or um, we have a lot of us have chat rooms.

00:32:10.059 --> 00:32:14.380
I'll just say, this individual, this is what my encounter is, do what you wish.

00:32:14.539 --> 00:32:21.019
And usually he won't get out because the bondsman gonna say, Well, I ain't gonna, if David Stuckman's not bonding out, and he's already interviewed him.

00:32:21.099 --> 00:32:23.259
When I get the call, I'll ask the same questions.

00:32:23.500 --> 00:32:30.299
And and and and lots of times he will tweak his story some way other.

00:32:30.859 --> 00:32:32.380
Because then we talk about it later on.

00:32:32.619 --> 00:32:38.859
He says, 'Yeah, now he says this or whatever.' The chat room's chiming now, because he's just going down the list calling people.

00:32:39.019 --> 00:32:48.859
So the bondsmen do, you know, we'll all get in a foot race to run down and ride a bond, beat the other one, elbow, whatever, get there before the other guy does, you know, because it's the competitive business.

00:32:49.099 --> 00:32:52.059
But we also know that the right thing needs to be done.

00:32:52.140 --> 00:32:54.380
And that's what bondsmen want to do is the right thing.

00:32:54.460 --> 00:32:59.980
We we are we are very humanistic, and we do have feelings for the victims and stuff.

00:33:00.140 --> 00:33:07.900
Um uh and and we try to do the best we can to make sure we would love to see recidivism drop drastically.

00:33:08.140 --> 00:33:15.819
If it's a first-time arrest, then we really do put a lot more effort into it because we can turn this person around.

00:33:16.380 --> 00:33:17.900
We can we can do a lot.

00:33:18.059 --> 00:33:26.380
I've got several speeches that I use on these guys, and I'll have the jail calling me and say, David, you need to give him the fork in the road speech.

00:33:26.619 --> 00:33:33.500
And this is usually a juvenile, maybe he beat up his girlfriend, we're gonna stay with domestic button, and and this and that.

00:33:33.579 --> 00:33:35.579
And I'll say, Okay, fork in the road.

00:33:35.740 --> 00:33:38.299
And what that is, I say, Well, I need the mom there.

00:33:38.460 --> 00:33:41.980
I got I the mom is my is my best weapon for this.

00:33:42.140 --> 00:33:46.859
And I'll tell the mom, okay, now listen, I'm gonna tell him, we're gonna try to change his right now.

00:33:47.180 --> 00:33:51.420
Um, and but I'm gonna tell you, you're gonna be crying when this is all done.

00:33:51.660 --> 00:33:54.299
And she says, Well, anything to get him out.

00:33:54.380 --> 00:33:56.700
And then I'll tell him, let me tell you something, buddy.

00:33:56.779 --> 00:33:59.099
You're you're at the fork of your life in the road.

00:33:59.180 --> 00:34:02.700
Either you're gonna go to prison and you you won't survive in prison.

00:34:02.779 --> 00:34:03.819
You're you're not big enough.

00:34:03.900 --> 00:34:10.380
You're gonna be somebody's little girlfriend, or you're gonna turn your life around right now, and you need to really realize it.

00:34:10.539 --> 00:34:13.659
I said, your parents love you very much, or they wouldn't be here.

00:34:13.900 --> 00:34:15.180
Your mom loves you very much.

00:34:15.260 --> 00:34:16.539
They're not proud of you right now.

00:34:16.699 --> 00:34:17.980
They're not proud of you at all.

00:34:18.140 --> 00:34:19.420
And your mom is embarrassed.

00:34:19.500 --> 00:34:24.380
And about that time when the tears start coming, the mom starts crying because it gets emotional and everything.

00:34:24.539 --> 00:34:27.659
And I can look him square in the eye and I say, Do you look at your mom?

00:34:27.739 --> 00:34:29.260
You did this to your mother.

00:34:29.340 --> 00:34:36.059
And I really get, and if he starts crying or he breaks down and everything, I know that I've got it.

00:34:36.139 --> 00:34:36.699
I've got him.

00:34:36.780 --> 00:34:38.139
Now I just got to get him right.

00:34:38.460 --> 00:34:40.059
So, what how are we gonna fix this?

00:34:40.219 --> 00:34:41.340
Do you want to go to treatment?

00:34:41.500 --> 00:34:43.659
Whatever, because I'm gonna tell you, I don't believe you.

00:34:43.820 --> 00:34:47.179
I think you're a liar, I think you're full of whatever.

00:34:47.340 --> 00:34:48.940
And I'll tell you what I'll do.

00:34:49.099 --> 00:34:58.139
If you stay out of trouble for the next five years, I'll buy you the biggest steak dinner in Manhattan, Kansas.

00:34:58.219 --> 00:35:02.219
And I usually say, I'll buy you and your mom and your dad the biggest steak dinner meal.

00:35:02.300 --> 00:35:03.340
It's on me.

00:35:03.579 --> 00:35:08.219
But I I'm so confident I won't have I'm not worried about having to spend the money.

00:35:08.380 --> 00:35:13.900
Now, to this day, I will get a phone call from somebody out of the clear blue.

00:35:14.059 --> 00:35:15.500
You owe me a steak dinner, you know.

00:35:15.579 --> 00:35:17.340
And then he's telling all, and I'm like, really?

00:35:17.500 --> 00:35:18.539
Then I let him tell.

00:35:18.699 --> 00:35:20.860
Then I feel like I've made a success out of this.

00:35:20.940 --> 00:35:21.260
Okay.

00:35:21.579 --> 00:35:23.340
Me and my wife, we patched up.

00:35:23.420 --> 00:35:25.820
Sometimes I get a divorce, but they'll say, whatever.

00:35:25.980 --> 00:35:32.860
And they'll we got children, I got a great job, my life is great, and and and then it's an affirmation.

00:35:33.019 --> 00:35:38.699
And I've probably done that, I'll say maybe in the last four or five years, maybe 12 times.

00:35:38.780 --> 00:35:41.420
I'm trying to think all the time, but I'll tell you one thing.

00:35:41.659 --> 00:35:42.780
I have never bought a dinner.

00:35:42.940 --> 00:35:44.780
You want to know who buys that dinner?

00:35:45.099 --> 00:35:45.820
Mom and dad.

00:35:45.980 --> 00:35:48.139
I was gonna say mom and dad, yeah.

00:35:48.460 --> 00:35:49.659
I'll say, send me the bill.

00:35:49.739 --> 00:35:51.099
I don't want to be there, send me the bill.

00:35:51.179 --> 00:35:53.179
Tell mom and dad, send me the bill and I'll pay it.

00:35:53.500 --> 00:35:53.980
Nah.

00:35:54.219 --> 00:35:57.820
Because usually after he calls, I'll say, Well, you got to steak dinner.

00:35:57.900 --> 00:35:58.780
And they said, Oh, thank you.

00:35:58.860 --> 00:36:00.539
And then then they're all happy and everything.

00:36:00.699 --> 00:36:02.539
So that's when you know you've had made a success.

00:36:02.619 --> 00:36:09.579
That always makes me feel good as a bondsman, knowing that I've done something to help get somebody back on track.

00:36:09.659 --> 00:36:14.860
And and that's what that's that's just the feeling that makes you glad you're a bail bondsman.

00:36:15.179 --> 00:36:20.460
Yeah, and it's nice to know that there's there's bail bondsmen that are working toward that goal too.

00:36:20.699 --> 00:36:23.579
So about bail, what are the different types?

00:36:23.739 --> 00:36:25.900
Because there are different types of bail.

00:36:26.460 --> 00:36:30.619
Well, like I said, there is what they call the uh cash assurity.

00:36:30.780 --> 00:36:36.300
Now, if the judge doesn't think a bondsman is going to help this guy, he can make it a cash-only bond.

00:36:36.539 --> 00:36:47.179
Now, usually those cash-only bonds is because it's court costs and fines, and that's what the the if he's failed to appear, the judge will say, okay, it's a such and such cash-only bond.

00:36:47.340 --> 00:36:49.179
That bond is because they owed the money.

00:36:49.260 --> 00:36:52.460
It may not, they may have already done the time, but he still owes money.

00:36:52.699 --> 00:36:55.179
That's usually like a probation violation.

00:36:55.420 --> 00:36:59.820
A probation probation bond is they put him on probation.

00:36:59.980 --> 00:37:07.420
He violated probation, so they're going to arrest him again and try to they may send him to prison, so that's a probation bond.

00:37:07.659 --> 00:37:09.900
Then there's the cash insurance, whichever.

00:37:10.059 --> 00:37:11.820
Then there is an OR bond.

00:37:12.059 --> 00:37:17.980
You know, it's somebody that's um that always shows up in court and the judge doesn't feel he needs to post the bond.

00:37:18.219 --> 00:37:27.340
And that's the um owner reconnaissance, which can be personal, a PR, personal reconnaissance, but OR, but no bondsman's involved there.

00:37:27.579 --> 00:37:31.980
And then there is a um, oh, I've lost track.

00:37:32.059 --> 00:37:34.619
Um, then the the bonds are like aggravated.

00:37:34.860 --> 00:37:37.900
Anytime you hear the word aggravated, that's a felony.

00:37:38.380 --> 00:37:39.659
That's a felony bond.

00:37:39.820 --> 00:37:52.219
So if you hear aggravated domestic battery, first of all, when I hear that as a bondsman, I say, okay, I gotta get him a pencil on do some, take some really good notes because what was the weapon?

00:37:52.539 --> 00:37:53.340
What was it?

00:37:53.500 --> 00:37:54.219
What did he do?

00:37:54.380 --> 00:38:01.659
Now, if he beat her up because he's so much bigger and beat her to a pulp, I'm not really excited about writing a bond on a guy that that's done that.

00:38:01.980 --> 00:38:08.619
If he's grabbed a bat or there's a gun involved or things like that, that tells me he's a dangerous person.

00:38:08.940 --> 00:38:19.579
And again, when you when you bond out dangerous people like that, we just had a bondsman uh last week in Alabama that was gonna make a simple arrest and he got shot and killed.

00:38:19.739 --> 00:38:32.780
So bondsman, we when we write the bond, when I see a dangerous person, I really have to pay attention because I want to make sure that I don't have to be chasing a guy that's gonna go around shooting people.

00:38:32.940 --> 00:38:37.659
He may not shoot the bondsman, but he may shoot an innocent bystander or run over somebody.

00:38:37.820 --> 00:38:47.500
You know, fleeing and eluding is the thing that we worry too because if it flees and eludes from the police, next time he may flee and elude and run over somebody, and then we don't need that.

00:38:47.579 --> 00:38:48.860
So we're very careful.

00:38:49.099 --> 00:38:53.500
I would say that I turn down more bonds than I approve.

00:38:53.900 --> 00:38:57.500
Because I have agents call me, and the ones I turn down are the bigger bonds.

00:38:57.659 --> 00:39:00.139
Or I will, I will, I don't necessarily turn them down.

00:39:00.219 --> 00:39:03.900
I say I'll write these bonds, but these are the conditions I want met.

00:39:04.219 --> 00:39:08.380
I want this and this and this and this before we'll even consider bonds amount.

00:39:08.460 --> 00:39:23.179
And lots of times it comes down, he needs treatment, you know, and lots of the times we want that treatment so far away from Manhattan, Kansas, if it's here, to where his enablers don't come and visit him because then he's not getting the help he gets.

00:39:23.420 --> 00:39:29.579
If I take somebody from here, and uh one of the places I would send him to is Jupiter, Florida.

00:39:29.739 --> 00:39:36.940
Uh uh that's uh in Florida, it's a great center, it's so far away his enablers are not going to take the trip and see him.

00:39:37.019 --> 00:39:39.099
So they really can't focus on his treatment.

00:39:39.260 --> 00:39:42.539
Plus, if he decides I'm leaving, he doesn't even know where he is.

00:39:42.699 --> 00:39:46.380
I mean, he he hasn't no friends or anything, so it keeps him there.

00:39:46.780 --> 00:39:51.980
But then I have to go to the judge because the judge says, I really don't like the idea of him leaving the state.

00:39:52.059 --> 00:39:56.539
But I'll say, Well, judge, by doing it this way, I've got bondsman up there.

00:39:56.619 --> 00:40:04.380
If he if he escapes, uh not escapes, it is a gay community, but if he gets away, I've got bondsman right there that'll find him.

00:40:04.460 --> 00:40:08.380
I mean, he he's gonna be, he's gonna not have any money, he's gonna have this and that.

00:40:08.619 --> 00:40:10.380
And usually the judge will say, okay.

00:40:10.460 --> 00:40:16.300
And plus, it's kind of out in the area where he'd have to walk two miles before he even gets to a road that he could get to.

00:40:16.460 --> 00:40:17.900
So that's one of my favorite places.

00:40:17.980 --> 00:40:20.380
And that's one brother and one sister that helps me.

00:40:20.539 --> 00:40:24.219
Uh that uh partnership with them has really worked very well.

00:40:24.380 --> 00:40:30.380
We'd probably pay, I'll say we place somebody nationwide four or five a week somewhere.

00:40:30.619 --> 00:40:31.659
It's very good.

00:40:32.059 --> 00:40:38.619
I'm here in Manhattan, Kansas, and with the domestic violence, nothing against our soldiers, nothing against the military at all.

00:40:38.780 --> 00:40:40.380
But they have a lot of stress too.

00:40:40.539 --> 00:40:44.300
And it was really predominant right after the uh after the war.

00:40:44.539 --> 00:40:48.699
Um so with the military, we have a lot of people that have that problem.

00:40:48.780 --> 00:40:51.019
But the VA has really great programs.

00:40:51.099 --> 00:40:53.900
It doesn't matter if they're disallowed dishonorably discharged.

00:40:54.059 --> 00:40:58.380
They have great benefits for uh uh helping people with domestic violence.

00:40:59.340 --> 00:41:17.980
So I know you're in Kansas, but are you familiar with any laws nationally that seem to be working uh or anything that you would say this is something that that it would be great if this could be a national yeah, I uh I I I I do like the no contact order.

00:41:18.059 --> 00:41:18.940
I think that's a great idea.

00:41:19.099 --> 00:41:20.539
I do like notifying the victim.

00:41:20.699 --> 00:41:28.139
Now that I don't know if if there is any state that doesn't have that, uh I I sent you a sheet of all the laws.

00:41:28.300 --> 00:41:34.300
If we go through there and find, we need to probably get those people involved and get the notifying the victim.

00:41:34.380 --> 00:41:35.739
That way they know they're out.

00:41:35.980 --> 00:41:46.780
The interesting thing, I just was at a conference uh down at Fort Lauderdale uh last week, and there's a GPS bracelet they put on so they can track where the individual is.

00:41:46.940 --> 00:41:47.900
That's a great thing.

00:41:48.059 --> 00:42:03.179
But it also has a tool that if the GPS bracelet gets real close to the victim's cell phone, let's say they go not knowing each other and they go to the movies, let's say they're going to the movies or the mall or whatever, and it says, okay, he's within this amount.

00:42:03.340 --> 00:42:07.820
Well, we can't call him and tell him you got to leave because all I got's the bracelet.

00:42:08.059 --> 00:42:09.420
But she's alerted.

00:42:09.579 --> 00:42:16.699
And if they're at the movie, then she can call and say, you know, oh, I'm I don't know where he is, but I just got a warning.

00:42:16.940 --> 00:42:18.619
Now I think that's a great tool.

00:42:18.780 --> 00:42:22.059
I'm I'm excited to see how that really works.

00:42:22.219 --> 00:42:30.860
Um I guess it's been out for a while, and I just um, you know, with the modern technology and stuff, I think that's a great device.

00:42:30.940 --> 00:42:34.860
Because let's say he does go to the mall and she goes to the mall, he doesn't know she's there, she's there.

00:42:35.099 --> 00:42:43.179
But the movies is the one where I've heard that he went to the movie, she went to the movie, not necessarily the same movie, but in the same theater.

00:42:43.340 --> 00:42:45.739
So that kind of that's interesting.

00:42:45.980 --> 00:42:47.900
So um I I like that idea.

00:42:47.980 --> 00:42:51.739
But that's just the modern technology anymore that we can keep an eye on.

00:42:52.860 --> 00:42:54.219
I hope that catches on.

00:42:54.539 --> 00:42:57.579
So is that something that's actually in place now?

00:42:58.139 --> 00:42:59.900
You know, I'm sure it is.

00:43:00.139 --> 00:43:07.420
Uh I just hadn't, you know, uh when I went to this convention, I was the I was involved at being the president of PBUS.

00:43:07.500 --> 00:43:09.340
It was a state convention in Florida.

00:43:09.579 --> 00:43:14.940
So I was interviewing with all those people, and I didn't really get a chance to sit at that booth and talk to these guys.

00:43:15.099 --> 00:43:18.139
Um, but I'm I'm gonna research a little more and see.

00:43:18.300 --> 00:43:25.820
I've got a convention coming up here next week in in in Vegas, and uh that same group of people, uh those vendors are gonna be there.

00:43:25.900 --> 00:43:31.179
I'm gonna sit down and talk with them then and try to think that's I think that's a great idea, truthfully.

00:43:32.219 --> 00:43:41.579
So as the president of the association, is that something that you can talk to other agents throughout different states and say, hey, this is something that you guys can really should really consider?

00:43:41.980 --> 00:43:42.380
Yeah, yeah.

00:43:42.460 --> 00:43:48.380
The PES has another group, uh part of my association has we have a council of presidents.

00:43:48.460 --> 00:43:50.059
Every state association has a president.

00:43:50.139 --> 00:43:52.460
So we all meet once a month and we talk.

00:43:52.619 --> 00:43:57.900
Um right now we're talking about other things, but but yeah, I'll uh uh yes, we do.

00:43:58.059 --> 00:44:04.699
And um probably the next time I have one, I'm gonna ask them does anybody have any laws that they want to share with us?

00:44:05.260 --> 00:44:09.340
When you when we did our pre interview, you asked me, that's exactly the group of people.

00:44:09.420 --> 00:44:11.980
I said, give me your state laws, give me the updates.

00:44:12.139 --> 00:44:14.940
Let's let's get this to integrid so she has that.

00:44:15.019 --> 00:44:17.420
And and that we had two great tools.

00:44:17.500 --> 00:44:21.500
I knew about them, but I just wanted them to be involved in case there was any new laws coming.

00:44:21.739 --> 00:44:23.179
And there is no laws.

00:44:23.659 --> 00:44:28.059
That I know right now about domestic violence that they're changing.

00:44:28.300 --> 00:44:34.780
But there is a lot of laws being passed about bail, but I don't think not necessarily in domestic violence.

00:44:34.860 --> 00:44:35.019
Trevor Burrus, Jr.

00:44:35.340 --> 00:44:37.260
One thing that I would think would be cool.

00:44:37.420 --> 00:45:03.820
So if you want to take this, is just to to perhaps require I know there's continuing education, also varies probably state to state on what's required, but maybe a course on domestic violence and just understanding all of the different intricacies and like you, like I said, I appreciate you recognizing what intimidation can be, but somebody else may not recognize that that is a form of intimidation.

00:45:04.139 --> 00:45:22.619
But I mean, in in the state of Tennessee, they have a required continuing education for anybody who works in the beauty industry, that they have to take a domestic violence course so that they recognize that a lot of victims talk to the person who cuts their hair every single month, you know?

00:45:22.860 --> 00:45:26.219
And so isn't that awesome?

00:45:26.699 --> 00:45:28.699
We have a class, continued education.

00:45:28.780 --> 00:45:31.179
I think most states have provided that course.

00:45:31.260 --> 00:45:33.179
It's conflict resolution.

00:45:33.420 --> 00:45:35.260
And a lot of jails have it too.

00:45:35.420 --> 00:45:40.300
They have the police have conflict resolution continued and too, and that's good.

00:45:40.460 --> 00:45:47.340
But we have them come and speak to our state associations about conflict resolution and how to handle and and do it.

00:45:47.500 --> 00:45:55.820
The funny part is the guy that taught the class, I don't even remember his name, um, the the one that really engineered this is from Wichita, Kansas.

00:45:55.980 --> 00:45:59.900
Her name was Brenda Dietzman, and she's she's known nationwide for that.

00:46:00.139 --> 00:46:03.260
She's not she's not in the police force anymore, she's retired.

00:46:03.420 --> 00:46:07.500
She's actually a speaker that goes around and speaks about stress management and stuff.

00:46:07.659 --> 00:46:08.780
Really good there.

00:46:09.980 --> 00:46:12.219
She's gonna be a speaker in Vegas.

00:46:12.460 --> 00:46:16.219
But I love the way he presented it because he says, okay, what's going on here?

00:46:16.380 --> 00:46:24.860
And the and the policeman's asked this guy, and he said, My wife, she's such a witch, and she might might have used the B word instead of the W word, but whatever.

00:46:24.940 --> 00:46:25.820
And he's just that.

00:46:25.900 --> 00:46:29.019
And the officer says, you know, I know exactly how you feel.

00:46:29.179 --> 00:46:31.500
And I thought, uh, where's this going?

00:46:31.579 --> 00:46:33.980
You know, and he says, My wife can be so difficult.

00:46:34.139 --> 00:46:38.380
And then the next thing you know, they're talking man to man or whatever you want to call it.

00:46:38.539 --> 00:46:41.579
It's not policeman to uh, and they're talking about it.

00:46:41.820 --> 00:46:45.019
But you know, it's still you gotta, we gotta figure this out.

00:46:45.179 --> 00:46:46.300
You can't do this and that.

00:46:46.460 --> 00:46:50.059
And I thought, I've I've used that several times too.

00:46:50.219 --> 00:47:01.659
Um that, you know, and and and and and my wife knows that I say that, and she says, okay, but we don't we don't have that problem.

00:47:01.900 --> 00:47:06.699
Make sure that if you say that on the show, make sure they know we don't have a problem and we don't.

00:47:06.780 --> 00:47:17.260
But I use that to identify with the problem, get empathetic and get them, and then, you know, uh, because if we're gonna, if we're gonna really go toe to toe, well, let me loosen up here.

00:47:17.340 --> 00:47:19.739
I got, you know, I'm not gonna loosen up here.

00:47:19.820 --> 00:47:25.340
And and I try to make a joke about it and say, if we're gonna go that way, uh you give me a little stretching time here.

00:47:25.420 --> 00:47:27.340
I'm an old fat man and this and that.

00:47:27.420 --> 00:47:29.340
And the guy's like, I don't want to fight.

00:47:29.500 --> 00:47:31.579
Okay, okay, that's that's what I use, you know.

00:47:31.659 --> 00:47:33.739
And then I said, well, then let's talk about this.

00:47:33.900 --> 00:47:35.260
You can all listen.

00:47:35.420 --> 00:47:38.539
Uh as long as you want to talk, I can listen all day long.

00:47:38.780 --> 00:47:40.139
And and and that's what you do.

00:47:40.219 --> 00:47:42.059
Then you just you I even put the phone down.

00:47:42.219 --> 00:47:43.260
I just put the phone down.

00:47:43.500 --> 00:47:44.460
So let's talk about it.

00:47:44.539 --> 00:47:47.579
What you know, and sometimes they'll work it out.

00:47:47.900 --> 00:47:57.420
But you've got to get the the individual to recognize he has a problem, and he needs to say, you know, really, she's not that bad of a person.

00:47:57.739 --> 00:47:59.500
We've just had a lot of problems at home.

00:47:59.579 --> 00:48:07.500
And when you get to the core of the problem, okay, now, and you still you don't suggest or you don't tell them what to do because they're gonna clam up on you.

00:48:07.659 --> 00:48:10.139
So you let them talk through it and you'll make it look like their idea.

00:48:10.219 --> 00:48:23.260
Well, what I hear you saying, I use I like using that, what I hear you saying is this job has really been stressful for you, and you need a little time to relax, and it it should not be going to the bar and drink it.

00:48:23.340 --> 00:48:27.420
And he says, Yeah, I could probably avoid doing because that'll save you money, is what I say.

00:48:27.579 --> 00:48:31.260
You drink it in that bar, you're spending that money, that'll save you money.

00:48:31.420 --> 00:48:36.539
Maybe you ought to go just to the batting cage and swing a bat at a ball, you know, you know what I mean?

00:48:36.619 --> 00:48:43.820
And or something, find something, or go to the rec center and and and uh pump weights, whatever it is that before you go home.

00:48:43.900 --> 00:48:45.420
Maybe that'll help you get rid of that stress.

00:48:45.659 --> 00:48:46.139
Things like that.

00:48:46.539 --> 00:48:50.780
You know, you can use whatever you want, but you kind of get the drift of what I'm saying.

00:48:51.019 --> 00:48:55.980
But the point is, the conflict resolution really is a good class.

00:48:56.219 --> 00:48:58.219
And and I like the idea.

00:48:58.380 --> 00:49:10.539
I never thought about that because when the well, of course I don't go to the beauty shop, but when when they're there, they hear all kinds of stories.

00:49:10.780 --> 00:49:13.340
And that is probably a great idea.

00:49:13.500 --> 00:49:14.460
I didn't even think of that.

00:49:14.619 --> 00:49:19.260
I think every every uh every state should have that for about it.

00:49:19.340 --> 00:49:20.940
And I believe they are working on that.

00:49:21.019 --> 00:49:22.139
I know Illinois does it.

00:49:22.219 --> 00:49:25.500
I think Illino Illinois may have been the first state to have mandated that.

00:49:25.579 --> 00:49:33.659
And then uh the person I actually interviewed her, she came up with a a thing called the education program called Shearhaven here in Tennessee.

00:49:33.820 --> 00:49:37.420
She had heard about Illinois and she pushed for that to happen in Tennessee.

00:49:37.739 --> 00:49:42.219
And I like that you guys have that conflict resolution.

00:49:42.380 --> 00:49:46.059
And I hope I don't come across as seeming argumentative at all.

00:49:46.139 --> 00:49:56.940
But I just I will say that from the point of view as a former victim of domestic violence, I never called the police on my abuser.

00:49:57.019 --> 00:49:58.860
I never filed any report.

00:49:59.179 --> 00:50:16.460
So a lot of times for when these individuals do make it in front of a judge and they are given bond, there may have been a long history, potentially even years of abuse leading up to even just that first documented offense.

00:50:16.780 --> 00:50:26.300
And these, and I'm not going to say guys in terms of it's only men, but just these perpetrators, offenders, whatever, uh, they're really good at manipulation.

00:50:26.460 --> 00:50:40.059
And they're really good at saying, oh yeah, I that was that was my fault, I won't do it again, and just downplaying what they did when, again, in reality, there could have been years and years leading up to that first documented offense.

00:50:40.460 --> 00:50:42.539
That's why we interview the family.

00:50:42.780 --> 00:50:48.860
You know, let me tell you, the person that that that I go into thinking about, they don't want people to know.

00:50:49.019 --> 00:50:53.019
And I it makes me think of Rob Reiner and his wife when they got killed.

00:50:53.179 --> 00:50:57.980
The first time that anybody ever knew was the fight the night before at a party or something.

00:50:58.139 --> 00:50:59.420
I don't know the particulars.

00:50:59.579 --> 00:51:02.219
I just know and I said, that's a typical thing.

00:51:02.539 --> 00:51:06.059
Right there, people should have said, wow, and be alerted.

00:51:06.219 --> 00:51:21.420
But Rob Reiner probably didn't want people to know that his son was a mess, you know, and and probably the brothers and sisters they probably knew, but they didn't say anything because Rob Reiner probably told them look, this is personal business.

00:51:21.579 --> 00:51:23.579
We don't want to air our laundry.

00:51:24.300 --> 00:51:28.780
Whenever you have something like that, you need to let somebody know.

00:51:29.099 --> 00:51:35.260
And the and the preacher and the when I say the preacher or the pastor or whatever, they're not gonna tell people.

00:51:35.420 --> 00:51:38.940
They're not gonna go out and air it to all your neighbors and friends.

00:51:39.179 --> 00:51:49.900
But if you if if you're being, you know, it's a syndrome, and and we'll probably get close to the end of the time, but it's a syndrome that I always like, and I love this analogy of how to cook a frog.

00:51:50.539 --> 00:51:54.940
And when you take a frog and you throw it in boiling water, what's it do?

00:51:55.019 --> 00:51:55.980
It helps right back out.

00:51:56.139 --> 00:51:57.099
I don't want to be here.

00:51:57.260 --> 00:52:06.780
But if you put the frog in there and slowly heat up the water, I know you know this, yeah, I can tell you no, but people need to realize that is so much what happens to these women.

00:52:06.860 --> 00:52:08.300
They they feel comfortable.

00:52:08.460 --> 00:52:16.780
I don't want a divorce because I don't know what I I can't live without him because I need the the the money or the stability or or whatever.

00:52:16.940 --> 00:52:18.460
So I'm gonna just live through this.

00:52:18.539 --> 00:52:22.699
Or I'm not gonna get a divorce until the children are gone, or I'm not gonna do this and that.

00:52:22.940 --> 00:52:28.619
But you could be playing with a very, very dangerous situation that could be could end up in death.

00:52:28.860 --> 00:52:30.139
So you need to do that.

00:52:30.300 --> 00:52:43.980
And and and it can be anything to help, but that's when the people, when a when a friend comes to you and says, Me and my husband are fighting, that's when you put down the phone, like I just said, I'm here to listen.

00:52:44.139 --> 00:52:44.940
And you listen.

00:52:45.019 --> 00:52:48.219
You don't you don't tell them, well, I wouldn't do that.

00:52:48.380 --> 00:52:50.139
By God, I wouldn't tolerate this or that.

00:52:50.300 --> 00:52:56.699
You sit there and you listen, and then you use the what I hear you saying is you'd like to find some help, but you're afraid to go in.

00:52:56.940 --> 00:53:02.219
Because if that friend came to you and talked to you and opened up, she really is needing help.

00:53:02.539 --> 00:53:03.739
And you're her friend.

00:53:03.820 --> 00:53:08.059
And to be her friend is listen, don't don't tell them what to do.

00:53:08.219 --> 00:53:11.500
Don't the recommendation is from them to themselves.

00:53:11.659 --> 00:53:15.579
What I hear you saying is I think you'd like to do this, but you're afraid to do this.

00:53:15.739 --> 00:53:19.820
I will stand right there with you, never say a word if you want to go somewhere and talk to somebody.

00:53:19.900 --> 00:53:21.739
I'll drive you there, I'll do this and that.

00:53:21.900 --> 00:53:27.420
But don't don't be the fix it, be the supportive person.

00:53:28.059 --> 00:53:30.059
And I think I'm coming off right.

00:53:30.139 --> 00:53:31.099
I think you're shaking your head.

00:53:31.500 --> 00:53:32.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:53:32.139 --> 00:53:32.380
Absolutely.

00:53:33.340 --> 00:53:35.900
Because if that person came to you, you need to.

00:53:36.059 --> 00:53:36.940
I don't care.

00:53:37.099 --> 00:53:43.980
Maybe you don't even really care for the person, but you they came with you with the respect that they trust that, and and trust is the big deal.

00:53:44.059 --> 00:53:45.739
And then say, I ain't telling anybody.

00:53:45.900 --> 00:53:47.179
It's not my story to tell.

00:53:47.340 --> 00:53:48.539
It's not my story to tell.

00:53:48.699 --> 00:53:52.219
But I will help you tell that story to somebody, or I'll get you there, or whatever.

00:53:52.460 --> 00:53:53.579
And that can be the best thing.

00:53:53.739 --> 00:54:01.579
And then when it's all said and done and something happens, you'll be surprised later on in life, they'll come back and you say, You're my best friend, you help me out of a bad situation.

00:54:02.059 --> 00:54:03.739
And lots of times we need to do that.

00:54:04.380 --> 00:54:12.139
Now, if the man comes to another man and he says, My wife is I I had to set her straight the other way.

00:54:12.300 --> 00:54:15.019
Now, again, you know, you don't say, What?

00:54:15.260 --> 00:54:15.900
You don't do that.

00:54:16.059 --> 00:54:16.539
Oh, really?

00:54:16.780 --> 00:54:18.860
Man, man, sounds like you got a lot of stress in your life.

00:54:19.019 --> 00:54:21.019
You want to you want to sit down and talk about it?

00:54:21.099 --> 00:54:23.340
Let's get a cup of coffee or whatever, and we'll we'll talk.

00:54:23.420 --> 00:54:28.300
And again, listen and then say, Okay, you know, I'm worried about this situation.

00:54:28.460 --> 00:54:30.460
Are are you thinking about divorcing her?

00:54:30.699 --> 00:54:32.460
Oh, yeah, or oh no.

00:54:32.619 --> 00:54:36.139
And then just again, don't don't don't fix it.

00:54:36.380 --> 00:54:42.139
Try to get them to work through it and maybe, you know, maybe you ought to be talking to somebody more professional than your best friend here.

00:54:42.300 --> 00:54:46.139
Maybe, maybe so-and-so will help you, whoever, and and do that.

00:54:46.380 --> 00:54:50.699
That way that way I feel that they've helped the person.

00:54:50.860 --> 00:54:52.860
They should feel good about helping their friend.

00:54:53.260 --> 00:54:58.139
Because, you know, uh sometimes they just they just need help.

00:54:58.300 --> 00:55:02.539
And a little bit of help now prevents a disaster later on in life.

00:55:02.699 --> 00:55:05.739
And that's what we need to be more in tune to doing.

00:55:06.219 --> 00:55:06.460
Right.

00:55:06.619 --> 00:55:06.780
Right.

00:55:07.019 --> 00:55:11.500
Be on the on the other end of and be more proactive versus reactive.

00:55:11.739 --> 00:55:24.380
And yeah, it's it makes all the difference, I think, for a victim to be heard and to be believed, even if it's just one person that they barely know, that might just give them enough confidence to do what they need to do to make to make that sure they're safe.

00:55:24.699 --> 00:55:35.340
Uh I know we are we are kind of running low on time, but uh one of the questions I had, which I think that we answered, is what can we do to become more proactive versus reactive?

00:55:35.420 --> 00:55:54.699
And I suppose that that phone, that app, is sort of reactive because this is already somebody has a created an offense that they have that GPS tracker, but it's also a proactive to hopefully prevent further violence or or even death.

00:55:54.860 --> 00:56:01.579
So I think that's a really, really cool uh technology that's I think every victim will be very supportive of that.

00:56:01.980 --> 00:56:03.820
We have to have some legislation to get that.

00:56:03.980 --> 00:56:07.179
And this kind of technology is gonna get back better.

00:56:07.420 --> 00:56:14.539
You know, it'll say he's a hundred feet away or he's he's one floor above you, or you know, in a in a mall or whatever.

00:56:14.699 --> 00:56:16.219
So it can say you need to.

00:56:16.619 --> 00:56:19.900
But then the victim's gonna say, Well, I shouldn't have to change the way I do things.

00:56:20.059 --> 00:56:21.340
No, but you're alerted.

00:56:21.420 --> 00:56:26.059
You've been told he's there, so you you you know, keep an extra eye out or whatever.

00:56:26.460 --> 00:56:26.780
Yeah.

00:56:27.099 --> 00:56:37.579
And just a little, a little extra uh feeling a little bit more comfortable that they can go out and enjoy their lives and not stay locked up in a in a house, barricaded up in a house.

00:56:37.820 --> 00:56:45.739
Okay, so before we close up, do you have I know you have some podcasts, but do you want to share your podcasts and any links or anything with listeners?

00:56:46.380 --> 00:56:52.539
Well, yeah, we have uh uh Topo Padilla Padilla has uh one.

00:56:52.780 --> 00:56:57.579
Um uh let's see, it's FAC Live, and he has a real good one.

00:56:57.659 --> 00:57:07.019
It comes out every Tuesday, and I think Sacramento may have uh that that may be a radio show, I don't know, but he had a real good one, and he's a past president of PB West.

00:57:07.340 --> 00:57:15.579
Then Ken Good, he has uh the Bell Post, and then we have one called um uh uh Bail in the Midwest.

00:57:15.900 --> 00:57:21.900
And uh those are the three podcasts that are all on YouTube, uh, like like yours is.

00:57:22.139 --> 00:57:28.860
Um there's others, uh, but those are the three that I'm involved with, or kind of indirectly, but directly.

00:57:29.179 --> 00:57:34.139
But yeah, we uh we talk about uh the different laws, the different situations.

00:57:34.460 --> 00:57:46.380
We've interviewed doctors and prosecutors and ex judges and and that, and you can go to those and there's uh there's hundreds of them.

00:57:46.619 --> 00:57:54.940
But as far as domestic violence, and I think that's the focus we're trying to do, I you know Nina Solanero.

00:57:55.260 --> 00:58:06.380
Now, now she has she was her sister was uh killed, and she's out of California, and I don't know the name of her podcast, but Nina's been on our show and talking about.

00:58:06.699 --> 00:58:09.019
She has a great uh program.

00:58:09.500 --> 00:58:15.980
And and does PBUS have a website that's available for anybody to take a look at to find out any information?

00:58:16.860 --> 00:58:18.219
Yeah, it's pbus.com.

00:58:18.460 --> 00:58:18.860
That's easy.

00:58:19.099 --> 00:58:23.019
Well, PBUS Professional Bondsman United States, PBUS.

00:58:23.500 --> 00:58:24.860
PBUS.com.

00:58:25.260 --> 00:58:26.219
Okay, perfect.

00:58:26.460 --> 00:58:32.699
And uh to close up, do you have any lasting words of wisdom or advice that you would want to leave?

00:58:34.139 --> 00:58:43.500
I no, I uh I hope everybody uh really understands that the victim is the victim, not the defendant.

00:58:44.139 --> 00:58:51.420
One of the things I will say this if you've ever heard of anybody putting their hands around somebody's throat, that person is dangerous.

00:58:51.739 --> 00:58:56.380
He may have done it that time because he'll say something like, I I can take you out at any time.

00:58:56.619 --> 00:58:58.380
The next time he may not stop.

00:58:58.699 --> 00:59:04.780
So if ever you hear of anybody ever putting their and it could be just a gesture, that person has a problem.

00:59:05.019 --> 00:59:09.260
And I want to say that because I've heard that twice and both times they killed somebody.

00:59:09.500 --> 00:59:12.219
So that would be my parting words, I guess.

00:59:12.460 --> 00:59:16.619
Don't ever, if you ever hear that, all flags should go up.

00:59:16.699 --> 00:59:17.820
They should talk about it.

00:59:19.179 --> 00:59:19.420
Okay.

00:59:19.739 --> 00:59:20.059
All right.

00:59:20.139 --> 00:59:23.260
Well, David, thank you so much for your time and coming on.

00:59:23.659 --> 00:59:24.300
Thank you.

00:59:24.860 --> 00:59:27.099
Thank you again, David, for joining me today.

00:59:27.179 --> 00:59:29.739
And thank you, warriors, for listening.

00:59:29.900 --> 00:59:35.739
I've included the links David was referring to as well as his one-in-3 profile in the show notes.

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I will be back next week with another episode for you.

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Until then, stay strong.

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David Stuckman

President, Professional Bail Agents of the United States (PBUS)

About David Stuckman, President of the Professional Bail Agents of the United States
David Stuckman is a Master Certified Bail Agent through PBUS and has been licensed as a bail agent since 1986. Prior to becoming licensed, he worked for several years as a bounty hunter with Gatsche Bail Bonds in Manhattan, Kansas.
In 1992, David became a full-time bail agent and opened his own office in Junction City, Kansas. He became a General Agent with American Surety Company in 2002 and currently oversees 22 sub-agents throughout Kansas.
David has served as a PBUS board member for many years and has participated on several committees. He is also a board member of the Kansas Bail Agents Association. In 2015, David was honored with the PBUS Bail Agent of the Year award. https://pbus.com/