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Hi Warriors, welcome to One in Three.
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I'm your host, ingrid.
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I have mentioned before that one of my favorite silver linings of domestic violence is hearing how survivors pull themselves up and, in their strength, also choose to pull others up with them.
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Today's guest is doing just that.
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She has chronicled her devastating experience with domestic violence in her upcoming book Beauty and the Beast Within.
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We had a lot to talk about, so I'm breaking our conversation into two episodes.
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Here's part one with survivor author and illustrator Michelle Johnson.
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I just want to say hello.
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I am also a domestic violence survivor and this is about my story.
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Do you want to give just like a quick background?
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You did say you're a domestic violence survivor, but you wrote a book.
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Yes, I did, and that's part of the reason you're joining today and I've actually dedicated the book to my abuser because literally without him it wouldn't be possible Like there are so many tragic things that happen to so many people, but they really do make for a good story if you think about it.
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Because some of the details you can't make up.
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That, yes, and I also didn't realize since doing this.
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There have been so many women that have been abused.
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It's a lot, a lot more than you see, or even probably the statistics even show.
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I don't know.
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I agree with you.
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I don't think the statistics are accurate.
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I know for me personally.
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I never reported anything, so even my story doesn't get counted in statistics.
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So it's worse than it's already bad enough with what we know, and it's worse when you think about all the things that have not been reported.
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Had I been the same person.
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I am now in that situation.
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I feel like I would have lived a long time ago.
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In the heat of it and you're in the middle of it.
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There are so many reasons on why you're still there.
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When they say that a person goes back, you do and I can't say.
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I'm not trying to justify going back, but I'm just saying I went back because I literally felt like I've never done any hard drugs but it felt like a drug withdrawal being away, Like I felt like I had to be with him, I needed him.
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I knew I didn't mentally, but physically, emotionally, I felt like I had to be with him, even though he was being horrible to me.
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It's that trauma bonds right.
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Yes, and it is, and it's so true, and it's so strong.
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I don't want you to give away all the details that you put in your book, but do you want to talk a little bit about what happened and what made you want to write the book?
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Sure.
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Well, what made me want to write it is because the things that happened in it, like it really did feel like a movie.
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Like, imagine yourself in the middle of literally the wood.
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You're in your pajamas, barefoot, it's wintertime and this guy's really pushing you down in the woods and you're stumbling, he's snatchingatching you up like that is something you would see in, like a scary movie, you know.
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And he's got a gun in his hand, a double barrel shotgun, and you're all you're thinking is, um, hopefully my body will be found.
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Like you're not thinking any more about leaving, you're not thinking any more about this.
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I'm gonna make it.
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Only thing in my head was thinking that's awful.
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It was.
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It was very scary.
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And I'm guessing that's not how it started.
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Did things sort of escalate to get to that point?
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They did.
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Because the crazy part is thinking back about it.
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I was little for seven years and I don't really know.
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I can't remember when the abuse started, but I do remember the little bitty signs.
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It all started out for little stuff and then it started with other females always being around and I know one time this female tried to get in his car when I was in the front seat of it.
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She looked at me and I looked at her.
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We both looked confused.
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I'm like he literally had just got that car.
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So I'm like, how do you know?
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He ain't even there.
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I just found out about the card.
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So that's kind of what started it, because I guess he was still talking to his exes and I would be trying to leave so and then he said, if I can have you, no one will?
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He meant that he really did mean it.
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And you were together for seven years.
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You said yes, we were, we were almost married, we were planning a marriage.
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My uncle was trying to be the ordained minister.
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He was trying to minister us like he was our therapist and everything.
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But I mean nobody, really nobody knew.
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I didn't you know.
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I kind of kept it a secret.
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Did you confide in anybody ever?
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I?
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didn't really have to confide in her.
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She just knew me well enough to know something was wrong.
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That's how she knew, because when he had took me to the woods and pointed that gun in my face, it was actually about her, because he didn't want me to be friends with her anymore.
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Had she said something to him, or did he just know she knew?
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If she did, I don't know, because she was the kind of person that if somebody messed with her friend, she gonna she gonna try to do what she can to protect them, cause she actually is the reason why my mom came to the hospital, because he had me call her in the woods and tell her that I couldn't be friends with her anymore because my relationship with him was more important.
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Like that was what he wanted, that was what made him not pull that trigger when he had me on that ground, cause I asked him what do you want, what do you want me to do?
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And that's what he said.
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Oh my gosh, so you're.
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So you're in the woods with a shotgun pointed at you, talking to your friends.
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And I'm on my knees with my hands behind my head, executioner style, in the middle of the woods and his family lives in like Royal Arkansas and there's like, if you've ever been there, it's like natural forest, like there was like panthers and stuff out there, because we stayed in a cabin on his property and you could literally hear them.
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You know they sound like a woman screaming.
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You could hear them at night because, like I said, it was just forest and woods.
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People would go hunting back there and everything.
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So if you started screaming, nobody would think anything of it.
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His mom heard the gunshot and all she did was ask him, because we went back to her house afterwards and then she asked him was that him in the woods firing the gun?
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Because he shot the gun beside me to make sure I knew that it was loaded and he hit the tree.
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So I already knew it was loaded because I've seen him loading it.
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But he wants me to make sure that you know that he he was not afraid to do that and all his mom said was that you in the woods with the gun.
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She was like oh okay, I'm sitting there thinking with you.
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I wanted to try to go see why your son is.
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You know it's like three, four, five o'clock in the morning.
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So how did you get from the woods back into the house?
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Did he just say, let's go?
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No.
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As he hit the gun to my head, he asked me.
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He said, yeah, I was like what do we want?
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And he was like I want you to do this if you want me not to kill you.
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And I'm like, well, what do you want?
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And he was like I want you to stop being friends with her, I want you to stop being friends with her.
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At that point I was willing to anything and everything anyway.
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So I was like that's fine, okay, I'll do it.
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He had me call her Once.
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I called her and told her that he felt better.
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He had me go to his mom's house.
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We were laying down in bed and then I kept falling asleep.
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But I kept waking up because he had choked me so much I couldn't swallow my spit.
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So I was sat there laying in bed and I'm like, if you don't take me to the ER, I don't think I'm gonna wake up.
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And he was like well, what are you gonna tell them?
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I'm like I don't care what is told to them, I just know if I lay here, I'm gonna choke on my own spit.
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At that time I didn't even know my face looked the way it did, or anything.
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I didn't because, you know I hadn't seen myself.
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I just knew I was, I was, my anxiety was on 10.
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My adrenaline probably was on 100.
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And I just knew that I needed to get emergency attention.
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I didn't know how I looked until we were at the gas station.
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His mom was getting gas.
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I was in the front seat.
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I see my reflection and I'm kind of like is that me?
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And then when his mom got to the hospital, his mom looked at me and she said I didn't even realize your face looked like that.
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My face was so swollen.
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My mom seen it.
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She didn't even she.
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All she did was look at me.
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Her jaw was dropped and she ran out looking for him.
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He made his mom stay with him, stay with me.
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He had my phone, he had my keys, he had my vehicle.
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I had nothing.
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I was there in pajamas, in a jacket, barefoot, in the hospital.
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His mom is sitting there playing the game on her phone like she's like my.
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I felt like she was my prison warden so she's just acting chill like nothing is weird yes, when she looked at me and said oh, I didn't even realize your face was like that, like it, kind of like.
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I looked at her like how could you say that to somebody like my face like the pictures are in my book as well of how my face looks like I couldn't.
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I was on a liquid diet.
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I couldn't eat, I couldn't drink.
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All the medicines was liquid because I couldn't smoke.
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He had strangled me so much.
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He strangled me so much I actually urinated on myself.
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I couldn't fight anymore.
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Every part of my body was heavy.
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I felt like I was underwater and I was just being squished and everything went dark.
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I actually woke up and my dad had passed away and I seen my dad.
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I heard footsteps, I seen a door open.
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It was my dad and he said it wasn't my time yet.
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And then when I woke up, I was hogtied.
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My hands and feet were hogtied behind my back with an extension cord and I was just.
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I just woke up like because I mean, I literally was just knocked out.
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You know, because I, just because you really do urine at yourself when you pass.
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I really had a death experience and it's crazy.
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Do you know?
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Did he ever?
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Did he have a history of abuse that you know of with previous partners?
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That part.
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No one there was kind of here I can't say there was one, because a lot of the people that he dated I think they were into that kind of thing, like when I say this guy is so strong like he literally could pick up the front end of a four-wheeler with one hand and lift it over his head and he was in boxing, like he probably should have been like one of those people that if you hit somebody you're automatically in jail.
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Because when I he was strong, this dude was like intense strength, like freaking super geriatric strength, like he was strong.
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Yeah, I just I feel like for his mom to just act so calm that she had to have somehow been exposed to that or just known that he was capable of that kind of thing, because I can't imagine anyone just being mom or not a mom or whatever, a relative or friend or anything.
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I can't imagine anyone just sitting there just playing on their phone while, like your face, looks unrecognizable.
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And it was my face, my neck bruises wasn't the word.
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I was bruised up from head to toe.
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I had marks on my neck from his machete.
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There have been a few times that had I not listened to whatever intuition told me to do, he would have killed me, because one time he had a steak knife to my throat and we were fighting.
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And once again it was a fight over my friend, because I think a lot of it because he knew she was going to protect me and I guess he felt that maybe I was closer to her than him.
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I'm not really sure what kind of jealousy he had with that, but he had a steak knife to my throat and something told me to put my hands under the knife and the moment I did he actually cut.
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If I would have kept my hand, if I would not have put my hands under the knife, he would have cut my throat, because I had to this day to understand how I was so calm.
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Now, did the hospital staff on any of those times?
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Did they ask you, or did they pull you aside and talk to you privately and ask you what's going on?
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When I got my face beat up they did, but I worked at that hospital as well, so they actually did was like hold up, because his mom was there and they actually got her out and everything because he was having her watch me.
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But when they left, he left and he took all my vehicle and everything with him.
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So I didn't have anything.
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He took it all with him.
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When he left, like my friend was trying to get my vehicle back but he took the battery out and he told her if she, if they, we wanted my truck, he, I was gonna have to come and talk to her, talk to him.
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He pointed a gun at her and everything, but she wasn't afraid because plenty of times like she's had to rescue me from him.
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He's even chased us in a car before.
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We're like driving, flying through town in a high speed chase and he's chasing us?
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Yes, that's awful.
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Do you have all of that in your book?
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Yes, Even the parts where he drugged me and I was.
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Some random people heard us fighting in the street and he had the double barrel shotgun.
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I don't even know how he was able to carry this in his vehicle because he literally kept it in his car Like I don't know.
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I remember being in High Springs off somewhere and these people house was kind of up and I guess these men heard us fighting.
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So they came down and they see him hurting me because he had my hair in a panty to pity me.
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And these guys came and they like started wiggling on him and they told me to run up the hill to their house.
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And I'm just like, yes, I'm like I feel like I was running in slow motion, like I couldn't get away fast enough, like I didn't even know these people.
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I don't even.
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It was two gentlemen, I just know I ran to their house and then my friend found us and they told her where I was and she came and got me and then when we left he started chasing us trying to get her to wreck her vehicle.
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One time he had poured gasoline.
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He stripped all my clothes off, he poured all my things in a pile, poured gasoline on everything and me when he went to go find something to light it.
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I didn't care that I was naked.
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We lived in a trailer park.
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I ran out that door and before my foot could hit that step on the ground to be gone.
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All I remember is being it's like I was clothesline when he just snatched me up and I just came right back in the house.
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Like I can remember, my foot almost hit it.
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I was almost free.
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I didn't care, I was naked, I was going to go.
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I was going to run streaking wherever, whoever come at me, I did not care.
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Let's talk about a few things like how we started talking about how you look back and you're like why did I stay Other than the trauma bond?
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Was there anything that kept you?
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Because I know sometimes there's financial reasons that people stay, or just they have nowhere to go or fearful that their abuser is going to find them.
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Was there anything specific other than that that trauma bond that kept pulling you back?
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I was very afraid.
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He used to tell me that you know cause he did have connections that knew how to hack computers and stuff.
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You know cause?
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I've seen it and he was talking about you know they know how to cap cameras.
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He always told me that they would find me and he would come after me.
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He always told me he would go after my family, like he always told me that he told me he would go after my family.
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He always told me that.
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He told me that so much.
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You can't help, but believe it when you hear it all the time If you leave me, I'm going to find you, I will find you.
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He always said if I left him, it'll be a war.
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He always said that If you leave, it's going to be a war.
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So I just looked at these statistics just for my knowledge and then for a friend as well.
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When you are and I want whoever's listening to pay attention to these two I think I've mentioned it before but when you're strangled by your partner, you your.
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Your risk of dying by that partner with use of a gun increases by 750% within one year.
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Like the article I read, they said the quote that stuck out was when a man and usually it's men strangling women.
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I'm sure there's probably an instance of a woman strangling men, but when you look at it, men are physically built to be bigger and dominant to women, and so usually it's a man strangling a woman that when he puts his hands around her neck he's declaring I'm a killer because at statistically he will kill someone within, like I guess, his lifetime.
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Wow, I pray that he hasn't, though, but if he has, I hope he under the jail, because maybe whoever because I mean and it's crazy though, because like he was an Adonis to me, like I thought he was so perfect, like he was.
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He was mixed, so he had that caramel skin, he had a perfect smile, he worked out, he was built, he had muscles.
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I'm like I'm thinking I'm winning.
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Like my everybody wanted to meet him.
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My uncle met him.
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My uncle was trying to puff up his chest because he was so built, so I guess he was kind of intimidating, you know, and I just thought I'm just thinking, oh my God, I found the best person.
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My family liked him, my grandpa liked him.
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It was just crazy in how perfect we all thought he was.
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Well, and that's what they do is.
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It's that love bombing thing that they do.
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They, they actually put on this persona of this most perfect person.
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So then you get pulled in and they I don't know if he did, but they can lavish you with with compliments and they just you feel like the most important person in the world they put you on this pedestal, and I think they purposely put you on a pedestal so that when they knock that down, you crash down hard and then it's almost like you have no idea what happens to you or to the two of you as a couple.
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You're just completely taken aback by all of it.
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You're absolutely right, because I'm just like even to this day it's mind blowing, like I'm pretty sure there was so many red flags and I just I think I was just more enamored at him you know what I'm saying because I just felt like he was just so perfect to me, like you know, because I like the muscular and the perfect skin, and he had the great smile and he was smart and he was fun and funny.
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And I'm like yay and then no.
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And he had the great smile and he was smart and he was fun and funny, and I'm like yay and then no.
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Well, I think they're really good also at finding out what is important to you, what you like, and they become that person for you too.
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I mean, obviously, if he was built and he is just naturally good looking, you can't necessarily change that for you.
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But knowing what characteristics to play up to just kind of pull you in even more is I think that's all part of their, their game.
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But this person that you build up in your head, that's not the real person, that's the, that's just the show, and I think that's part of it.
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That makes it so hard to leave too is because in your mind you have the potential of what could be and you just want to hold on to that, or even what was, and you want to get back to that.
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I did Cause, like I said, I thought he was so perfect, he was so sweet and kind and he said the sweet things.
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And the craziest part is, like I met him through a job, because I was, I'm a CNA and actually was his grandfather's caretaker and like I think the first few times I was supposed to go see his grandfather I canceled I don't know why, but I did.
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And the day I went to see him I actually had wished I would have canceled because I didn't want to go and I kind of wished I would have listened to my intuition and my body at that time and trying to think okay, why do I feel this way about where I'm going?
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Instead of just thinking that I just didn't feel like working, I'm like I already feel like working.
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I think after you've been through this, you start to pay attention more to your intuition.
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You realize your body or your brain or something was telling you that to do something different.
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It's just you didn't know then to listen to it, or even what was trying to be told to you, I think.
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You're right.